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Church? Why would I go to a church, to pretend to worship something I know is non-existent?
Christians don't think they follow, very little intelligence required. To not blindly follow, to make decisions based on fact requires much more than to just blindly tag along with the crowd. I don't subscribe to the herd mentality.
I'm sorry you've run across that kind of Christian. They certainly don't represent us all, so please don't paint us all with that broad a brush.
It's still a threat which evokes emotions of fear, or at least apprehension, in your kids.
What's the difference in you doing it and God doing it?
Huge difference in the punishment one will only irritate for a little while, the other is for eternity and will cause anguish. I love my kids and would never harm them or want them in harms way, violence gets you no where. She I want my kids to respect me, not fear me. Unlike your god, who will punish you to eternal damnation for simply not worshiping him or taking his name is vain..
Science may not be faith, but people have faith in science, do they not?
No I don't have faith in science, I know science works no faith involved. Science is based on fact tested evidence and observence, faith and fact don't seem to intermix.
Faith definition:
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
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a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Nor will I begin another "Is there a God or is there ain't?" discussion because, in the end, I can no more prove God exists than you can prove He doesn't.
Ummmm, you said ..."the preponderance of the evidence indicates He's real"
So then produce your preponderance of evidence. If it is actual evidence and not your personal faith there will be nothing for us to argue with.
There's a constant tension on these boards about believers that you just don't find over on the Christianity boards.
Why is that?
You're obviously not reading the posts over there.
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You're making the assumption that because I profess a faith in God I'm some sort of unthinking, uncritical moron...
Hold up there. You said that there was a "preponderance of evidence". If there was a preponderance of evidence then you wouldn't need faith would you? Evidence negates the need for faith.
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Nor will I begin another "Is there a God or is there ain't?" discussion because, in the end, I can no more prove God exists than you can prove He doesn't.
Not even with your preponderance of evidence??
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Originally Posted by stillkit
Science may not be faith, but people have faith in science, do they not?
No they do not. People accept the evidence of science because it can be tested, is objective and can be verified. No faith necessary.
Huge difference in the punishment one will only irritate for a little while, the other is for eternity and will cause anguish. I love my kids and would never harm them or want them in harms way, violence gets you no where. She I want my kids to respect me, not fear me. Unlike your god, who will punish you to eternal damnation for simply not worshiping him or taking his name is vain..
So, it's not the threat or fear which is important, but the punishment threatened? The punishment is justified, but the threat of it isn't? That's a novel outlook!
That's saying it's wrong of me to threaten my kids, unless the punishment is mild. If the punishment is mild enough, any threat is acceptable! Wow, what a position that puts my kids into!
But, no, God won't punish anyone for simply not worshipping Him, nor for taking His name in vain. He will only punish those who do not accept his Redeemer, Jesus Christ. Those who do not accept Him will suffer the punishment for all those other things simply because they have rejected Christ's payment of their debt owed to God for their misbehaviors. It's not their sins which will consign them to the outer darkness, but their willing refusal of Christ.
The point is that nobody will go to hell against their will. Or, to heaven.
No I don't have faith in science, I know science works no faith involved. Science is based on fact tested evidence and observence, faith and fact don't seem to intermix.
Faith definition:
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Does science work every time? Is it always right? Has it always BEEN right? Has there never been a failure of science to explain something or predict future outcomes?
God makes his presence known - every time a bomb drops upon a civilian.
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