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Old 06-13-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Take a laxative and get a good nights sleep. It will do wonders for your disposition.
Good tip...Equivocators always give me digestive problems.
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You have never heard the Khutbahs I have given to my Brothers and Sisters at the Mosque. I do not speak very kindly of those who have committed any acts of terrorism and am much more adamant if I hear the perpetrators were Muslim. Terrorism is against Islam and is as much our enemy as it is to non-Muslims. I agree with you those who do so are insane idiots, who are taking a fast express path to Hellfire. They will never see paradise, suicide and killing innocents is the fastest way to loose paradise.
Thank you, Woodrow, for providing a down-to-earth Muslim voice in this thread. You seem a decent fellow.
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:48 PM
 
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Christians are the founders of the U.S.A.? Would you name a few historical Christian founders.
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For starters, Christians didn't found this country.

Seriously, what history did you read?

Nearly all the founding fathers of this country were Christian in some version or another...


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And when Muslims start arrogantly claiming that they founded the country, start rewriting our history books, trying to get their religion into our laws and government and their mythology and prayers in our schools and science classrooms, they will receive just as much "disrespect" as you poor "persecuted" Christians.
Interesting thought, but I would like some proof as to how Christians re-wrote history books and are getting into the classroom in science and prayer..it seems just the opposite these days...
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Metromess
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Nearly all the founding fathers of this country were Christian in some version or another...
Wrong. Most of them were Deists.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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While Christians are being bashed as "hateful bigots", "far-rights", "stupid morons", "hillbillies", Muslims are respectfully called as "peaceful people" who "share with us the Truth of Quran". Please explain why?
By whom? There are extremes on both sides of this issue. Who are you listening too?
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Wrong. Most of them were Deists.
Don't interject yester-year's history for what is current topic in today's world...the concept of deism has changed slightly since late 1700's until today.

The God most of these people worshipped and read about, in the Bible, was certainly the Christian God most christian denominations worship today. Even though it may have been called something different back then, it doesn't replace the concept.

Don't forget, these people are just shortly removed form a country where there was but one religious denomination, the Church of England. If you didn't believe step in line with that doctrine, you were dead.

Thus, many of the thinking class had different thoughts on the Christian God and theology in general, but it certainly was the Bible they were reading and the Christian God they were worshipping.
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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The founding fathers were learned men who studied facets of many religions and philosphies. There were Masons in the bunch too you know.

The Masonic order does not require one to believe in any certain God. You just have to believe there is a God.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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By whom? There are extremes on both sides of this issue. Who are you listening too?
Extremism is extremism it is the same no matter what Faith it claims to represent.

Violent Fanatics and Terrorists exist among all people. they represent only them selves and are of the same genre. All Terrorists are of one belief, the Belief of Terrorism, no matter what their faith is labeled.
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Maybe somebody can help to answer my politically incorrect question? It seems Muslim have more Rights and influence as Christians who founded the country you live in.While Christians are being bashed as "hateful bigots", "far-rights", "stupid morons", "hillbillies", Muslims are respectfully called as "peaceful people" who "share with us the Truth of Quran". Please explain why?
You're right about much.
Many religions are "hateful bigots", "far-rights", "stupid morons", "hillbillies", etc.
Conclusion: Religions suck, big time!
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Old 06-14-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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Don't interject yester-year's history for what is current topic in today's world...the concept of deism has changed slightly since late 1700's until today.

The God most of these people worshipped and read about, in the Bible, was certainly the Christian God most christian denominations worship today. Even though it may have been called something different back then, it doesn't replace the concept.

Don't forget, these people are just shortly removed form a country where there was but one religious denomination, the Church of England. If you didn't believe step in line with that doctrine, you were dead.

Thus, many of the thinking class had different thoughts on the Christian God and theology in general, but it certainly was the Bible they were reading and the Christian God they were worshipping.

Wrong. The Deistic God then, just as today, is in no way shape or form the Christian or Biblical god. The Deist Founding Fathers (i.e the principle founders) rejected the miracles and divinity of Jesus and saw The Bible as absurd mythology rather than the word of any god. They founded this nation on the secular ideals of The Enlightenment, not on Christianity or The Bible.

You've been thoroughly indoctrinated into the "sunday school" revisionist history I was referring to earlier.

You are right about the Church of England though - our founders came here fleeing from CHRISTIAN nations. Not to establish one.

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