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Yes, he is correct. I thought so much as he stated but they keep pushing this notion of getting back to what use to be. This notion of a wholesome pure time that they have somehow been robbed of. Who robbed them? I wish we could just all get along.
I understand they do not want a welfare nation and neither do I. So that's one area of their agenda I can appreciate but their separatist, take no prisoners stance is certainly scary.
Last edited by gabfest; 08-24-2011 at 06:56 PM..
Reason: msp.
It's all prophesied. Being a Bible-believing Christian will become increasingly politically incorrect. The world will increase in their hatred toward God through in his messiah Jesus and his followers in the move toward a global pagan government that enforces union of church and state in what looks to be an ecumenical religion claiming all worship the same god in different ways.
The media is planting the seed in propagandized minds that Bible-believing Christians that see prophecy unfolding are the enemy toward peace, science, evolution, etc. All that fall for this haven't done their homework. Look at the other side. You might be surprised what you see. This shall all come to pass as it is written.
It's all prophesied. Being a Bible-believing Christian will become increasingly politically incorrect. The world will increase in their hatred toward God through in his messiah Jesus and his followers in the move toward a global pagan government that enforces union of church and state in what looks to be an ecumenical religion claiming all worship the same god in different ways.
The media is planting the seed in propagandized minds that Bible-believing Christians that see prophecy unfolding are the enemy toward peace, science, evolution, etc. All that fall for this haven't done their homework. Look at the other side. You might be surprised what you see. This shall all come to pass as it is written.
It's all prophesied. Being a Bible-believing Christian will become increasingly politically incorrect. The world will increase in their hatred toward God through in his messiah Jesus and his followers in the move toward a global pagan government that enforces union of church and state in what looks to be an ecumenical religion claiming all worship the same god in different ways.
The media is planting the seed in propagandized minds that Bible-believing Christians that see prophecy unfolding are the enemy toward peace, science, evolution, etc. All that fall for this haven't done their homework. Look at the other side. You might be surprised what you see. This shall all come to pass as it is written.
Ideally being an orthodox or conservative Christian would be un-American or even Anti-American. The US being largely created by classical liberals sympathetic to Freemasonry and the like. And some of its ideals arguably go against some basic Christian norms of Right or Left-leaning Christians. The US being created as a tax protest more than steeped in any notions of "Social Justice." Many of the Founders were Christians, but they were often highly heterodox.
Still even if that's the ideal it's often not the reality. The Evangelical Religious Right these days seems to even admire Jeffersonian ideas. I think Glenn Beck promoted Thomas Paine or something. (Granted Beck's Mormon) So sadly I think the Religious Right is very pro-American and that's part of why I've never felt very comfortable with it.
Although as for what this person says I think he has a good deal of issues and his vision of what America is, or Evangelicalism is, sounds a bit more like a liberal talking point than a reality. Granted he grew up in that Evangelical world, but sometimes apostate testimony is decidedly biased to the point of not being very useful. It's like I could name William Murray, Madalyn Murray O'Hair's son, whenever we mention ex-atheists. However I think I rarely or never do because his abandonment of atheism is so rapped up with his issues toward his mother, and her organization was itself rather oddball within atheism, that I don't find it particularly useful to mention him. Frank Schaeffer's views, from what I've read of them and I've read him on occasion, are fairly related to his family issues. Most of the people who knew his father I believe dispute his characterization of him and their situation. However his family was also somewhat unusual among Evangelicals to start out. He was born in Switzerland and his family formed a religious community there.
Granted Schaeffer's not an exact mirror of Murray, he's not atheist or at least I was pretty certain he was Eastern Orthodox, so I don't want to press that idea. Still even though he's said some interesting things in the past I don't know how much validity I'd put in him. Particularly when discussing a movement that, so far as I know, he hasn't been involved in for over 20 years. And I say that even though I think Evangelical-Protestant-Right contains some pretty wacky stuff and I don't relate to it.
Last edited by Thomas R.; 08-25-2011 at 01:03 AM..
Reason: I'd tone it down too much.
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