Imposition Of Laws Based On Religios Belief..... Lets Evaluate (hell, atheist, quote)

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Hello all,
Something I hear alot on here { and something I have said myself } Is that Atheists and unbelievers have a real problem with religious folk of any type trying to impose laws based on their religious beliefs into society. Myself, being an unbeliever of any organized religion, also thought this way.

Though, Not to long ago I thought about this for a little while and I now see what I percieve to have been an error in my way of thinking The following quote is what inspired me to start this thread.

As an atheist, I don't really care what you believe UNTIL you choose to attempt to impose what you believe into society, our laws, and even what wars we fight.

Now the question I would like to pose to you is, wouldn't this be the same as a democrat saying to a republican "as a democrat, I don't really care if you are a republican until you choose to attempt to impose what you believe into society" ???

Or for instance, wouldn't it be the same as someone who was pro-life telling somone who was pr-choice that "they didnt care what they believe"......etc. etc. ????

Do you think this is the same? If no, then how not? If yes, than wouldn't this defeat the purpose of a democracy where majority rules? Lastly. isn''t it only fair that the religious get to impose their ideas into our laws if they infact have a mojority?

[tigetmax24]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Hello all,
Something I hear alot on here { and something I have said myself } Is that Atheists and unbelievers have a real problem with religious folk of any type trying to impose laws based on their religious beliefs into society. Myself, being an unbeliever of any organized religion, also thought this way.

Though, Not to long ago I thought about this for a little while and I now see what I percieve to have been an error in my way of thinking The following quote is what inspired me to start this thread.



Now the question I would like to pose to you is, wouldn't this be the same as a democrat saying to a republican "as a democrat, I don't really care if you are a republican until you choose to attempt to impose what you believe into society" ???

Or for instance, wouldn't it be the same as someone who was pro-life telling somone who was pr-choice that "they didnt care what they believe"......etc. etc. ????

Do you think this is the same? If no, then how not? If yes, than wouldn't this defeat the purpose of a democracy where majority rules?

If I properly understand your point, I have to agree.

In a democracy (keeping in mind that the United States is actually a representative republic) it will most always boil down to two groups with differing views concerning that which constitutes acceptable moral behavior. In a democracy, the simple hard truth is that the majority will naturally force it's notions of morality upon the minority - whether the majority holds to the God view or the non-God view - they will, by necessity, "impose" their views upon the minority.

[AREQUIPA]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Hello all,
Something I hear alot on here { and something I have said myself } Is that Atheists and unbelievers have a real problem with religious folk of any type trying to impose laws based on their religious beliefs into society. Myself, being an unbeliever of any organized religion, also thought this way.

Though, Not to long ago I thought about this for a little while and I now see what I percieve to have been an error in my way of thinking The following quote is what inspired me to start this thread.



Now the question I would like to pose to you is, wouldn't this be the same as a democrat saying to a republican "as a democrat, I don't really care if you are a republican until you choose to attempt to impose what you believe into society" ???

Or for instance, wouldn't it be the same as someone who was pro-life telling somone who was pr-choice that "they didnt care what they believe"......etc. etc. ????

Do you think this is the same? If no, then how not? If yes, than wouldn't this defeat the purpose of a democracy where majority rules?

I wondered about this question some time past and came to the conclusion that democracy is indeed majority rule, but that does not mean a lack of minority rights.

Shall we consider that point a bit further?

[jazzarama]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Hello all,
Something I hear alot on here { and something I have said myself } Is that Atheists and unbelievers have a real problem with religious folk of any type trying to impose laws based on their religious beliefs into society. Myself, being an unbeliever of any organized religion, also thought this way.

Though, Not to long ago I thought about this for a little while and I now see what I percieve to have been an error in my way of thinking The following quote is what inspired me to start this thread.



Now the question I would like to pose to you is, wouldn't this be the same as a democrat saying to a republican "as a democrat, I don't really care if you are a republican until you choose to attempt to impose what you believe into society" ???

Or for instance, wouldn't it be the same as someone who was pro-life telling somone who was pr-choice that "they didnt care what they believe"......etc. etc. ????

Do you think this is the same? If no, then how not? If yes, than wouldn't this defeat the purpose of a democracy where majority rules? Lastly. isn''t it only fair that the religious get to impose their ideas into our laws if they infact have a mojority?

Congrats on seeing the error in your previous way of thinking.

Your new correct way of thinking is more in tune with representative government and the Bill of Rights.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by AREQUIPA

I wondered about this question some time past and came to the conclusion that democracy is indeed majority rule, but that does not mean a lack of minority rights.

1. Shall we consider that point a bit further?

Please do.

[Annie53]

I just don't have a lot of confidence in someone who is in a position of power consulting with a "god" instead of using cold, hard facts to make important decisions.

[tigetmax24]

Originally Posted by Annie53

I just don't have a lot of confidence in someone who is in a position of power consulting with a "god" instead of using cold, hard facts to make important decisions.

Undoubtedly, we would have to take it to another thread, but if you can convince me that the "cold hard facts" lead to atheism - I'm all ears!

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by Annie53

I just don't have a lot of confidence in someone who is in a position of power consulting with a "god" instead of using cold, hard facts to make important decisions.

And this is understandable. I'm the same way. But, the fact remains, that IF they have a majority, isn't it only fair that they have a say?

[Joe90]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

And this is understandable. I'm the same way. But, the fact remains, that IF they have a majority, isn't it only fair that they have a say?

I think there is a point at which democracy needs to be protected from itself.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by Joe90

I think there is a point at which democracy needs to be protected from itself.

I agree but that's another discussion entirely. lol