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Old 10-15-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You don't have to go very far to find living dinosaures today, there's the alligators, crocodiles, caymans and gharials, these all belong to the family Crocodylidae, which have been around for about 80 million years in there present form. I'd say they have to be classified as "dinosaurs" which means "Terrible Lizard" if you have ever ran into one of these animals you'd most likely see just how terrible they are.
So did dinosaurs exist, I'd have to say with a big bold YES and they still exist today.
Aren't birds also the descendants of dinosaurs?
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Old 10-15-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Aren't birds also the descendants of dinosaurs?
Yes, however bird have changed in the last 80 million years into the various species we see today. The Crocodylidae family has been almost unchanged in the last 80 million years, what you see today is basically how they looked as dinosaurs.
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Old 10-15-2011, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Capital Hill
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is it a cold hard fact, or simply a myth. Provable fact? Do we know for fact that they existed. If so...what are implications, please?
Before making such foolish inquires, I would suggest exploring places like Museums of Natural History.
Your can start right here: AMNH Dinosaurs iPad App | American Museum of Natural History (http://www.amnh.org/apps/dino_ipad.php - broken link)
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Default Sqrawk... sqrawk!

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You don't have to go very far to find living dinosaures today, there's the alligators, crocodiles, caymans and gharials, these all belong to the family Crocodylidae, which have been around for about 80 million years in there present form. I'd say they have to be classified as "dinosaurs" which means "Terrible Lizard" if you have ever ran into one of these animals you'd most likely see just how terrible they are.
So did dinosaurs exist, I'd have to say with a big bold YES and they still exist today.
And, as Theophane then noted: remember the birdies, who yup, have changed quite a bit from a T-Rex, but not so much from other dinos of the, say, velociraptor and other families, especially when we dig down into avian (compared to reptilian) DNA, as well as their morphological & structural basics.

When I see a Great Blue Heron land and take off of my property's pond, I'm readily reminded of a pterodactyl. They even sorta sqrawk like a Ptero, as my genetic memory reminds....

Of course, the intellectual implications of all this must be truly fearful to a devout and literal Christian....
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BTW, my direct question to the OP's author, sahhen, is this: Do you for a moment think that dinosaurs did not exist? Ever?
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Old 10-15-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Aren't birds also the descendants of dinosaurs?
Yes, I believe birds are descended from dinos....Check out the feet of a swan...Other than the webbing and size they match dino prints etched in stone that we see today...

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Old 10-15-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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You should find that old "science teacher" of yours and have at him with an aluminum baseball bat. You'll feel much better.
Or a fossilized femur of some made-up saurian heh heh!

I hear whiffle bats are more satisfying than normal bats - you can have at them much longer.
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Yes, however bird have changed in the last 80 million years into the various species we see today. The Crocodylidae family has been almost unchanged in the last 80 million years, what you see today is basically how they looked as dinosaurs.
Cool.
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Ok I admit it. I belong to a secret society that has been forging and planting dinosaur bones around the globe for the past century and half. We've also been squishing Trilobites wherever they are found so people will think they are extinct.

It won't be long before They send a hit man to finish me off for disclosing this awful truth, but I thought Y'all should know. Also, Elvis is alive and well in Duluth, Minnesota.
I have a coop full of Dodo birds in the backyard, but let the rest of the world think they're extinct. When the time is right I'm going to reveal my private horde of these stupid flightless birds (they cost a fortune to feed!) and I'm going to make millions, I tell you!!!
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Old 10-15-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The gods sat around for months creating all the bones, making molds, casting them, making them look millions of years old, then spent many more months traveling the world burying them. They are such jokers.
Hey I thought that was the devil that did all that to fool mankind
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Old 10-15-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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You don't have to go very far to find living dinosaures today, there's the alligators, crocodiles, caymans and gharials, these all belong to the family Crocodylidae, which have been around for about 80 million years in there present form. I'd say they have to be classified as "dinosaurs" which means "Terrible Lizard" if you have ever ran into one of these animals you'd most likely see just how terrible they are. So did dinosaurs exist, I'd have to say with a big bold YES and they still exist today.
Not quite.

All dinosaurs are, by definition, members of the superorder Dinosauria. The species you mentioned are from a different superorder, Crocodylomorpha. But they were contemporaries of dinosaurs along with mammals and fish and other reptiles (dinosaurs and crocodiles are both reptiles, of course). Very closely related, but not dinosaurs.

Then there's the birds, as other posters have mentioned.
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