Stand together against the voice of hate.

[Clintone]

Originally Posted by raison_d'etre

So you don't think WBC should be allowed to spread hate, but the KKK should? Various militant groups should be allowed to have their hate compounds where they plan an attack? Do you think we should tolerate acid burning too? I mean, what other option do they have, right?

I dislike the WBC because protesting at funerals would seem to me to be potentially as damaging as assault, and I think it should be treated accordingly by the law. I left off the KKK because I don't know much about them. Acid burning would be violent, and I'd said I'm against that. I don't think someone believing they have no choice would be a valid reason not to lock someone in jail until they think of a choice.

I'm not talking about simple censorship here. I'm talking about standing up against people that spread hate through speech and actions. Saying you dislike something or some one is not the same as hate.

Again...who are these dragons we are to slay? Also, what is hate? If history has taught us anything...it's never to trust the smiling man who asks us to sign something and not worry about the fine print...nor the person who claims the "enemy" is entirely evil. The enemy in your case would certainly not be people. You've made that clear. Your enemy would be hatred. How do we tell the difference between hatred and righteous anger?

Please read the bold section of the paragraph on the KKK's website below (link also below)

http://www.kkk.com/
"There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "

Don't know about you...but I don't like the idea of helping the KKK...even if they evidently are our "allies" in the battle against hatred. Just ignore all the burning crosses on people's lawns over the past century and we'll fit right in.

Abe Lincoln said it best when he said, My enemies are defeated when I make them my friend. It's easier said than done, but understanding eachother IS only the second step, the first step is to be willing to set aside differences t so that we are open to the opportunity to understand. By not putting side our differences, we are basically sticking our fingers is our ears and saying, we're listening.

World peace has been attempted over and over again, and all we can do is keep trying...just as long as you recognize that no one has a duty to follow your idea...give it your best shot.

The best opinion is one that is open to change. Agree or disagree? Why?

Now that last part, I agree with. Thanks for the response.

[Clintone]

KKK members have done quite a few violent activities over the years...so that'd be needed to be ignored too to fit in.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by whoppers

I agree - for many people, the saying "know your enemy" is an invitation to learn more about them so they can better slay them, when a better approach might be to learn more about them so you can better tolerate them.

Why would I want to tolerate my enemy?

My enemy intends to cause me harm and force me to suffer grief, so why would I ever tolerate that?

If I exterminate my enemy, then I no longer suffer any harm or grief, and more importantly, I don't have to waste valuable time, energy, money and resources trying to undo the damage and harm caused by my enemy.

Originally Posted by raison_d'etre

I guess some people would rather live in a world in conflict.

Conflict eventually ends, usually with one side as victor.

Originally Posted by raison_d'etre

Refusing to understand why people believe what they do without evidence, that is why it's called faith btw, but demanding that they see things how you and your cause see things is not doing any good.

Faith causes tremendous harm and damage to people, so of course I would naturally "refuse to understand."

I'll give you an excellent textbook example.

Scholars come across a term in an ancient language, and they allow their christian faith to corrupt things so that this term is erroneously, falsely and incorrectly translated as "underworld."

That caused tremendous harm to people for more than a century, leading people to falsely believe that the Sumerians and Akkadians had a belief in the after-life and in Hell, when in fact they did not.

This egregious error resulted in many other misunderstandings of Sumerian and Akkadian culture, and in particular the scope and breadth of the Sumerian and Akkadian kingdoms with respect to income, finances, trade, economics, culture, exploration, astronomy and mathematics.

It wasn't until the mid-1980s that a group of scholars finally convened and attempted to persuade "the faithful" that they had erred. The result was that this ancient term/phrase is now officially translated as "netherworld" and while that is better, it is still erroneous, false and incorrect.

And even though it has been nearly 30 years, many texts still mistranslates the phrase as "underworld."

This, um, "underworld/netherworld" rather oddly has a large river flowing through mountains to the sea, and the mountains and river are full of gold. Thousands of cuneiform texts from the period of the Akkad Kingdom record shiploads full of gold being brought from the "underworld/netherworld" to Sumer/Akkad.

That river is the Zambesi, and they still mine gold in those mountains to this day.

That's just one of thousands of examples that I'm aware of, where people have been misled by "the faithful."

[Clintone]

another opinion:
World peace has been attempted over and over again, and all we can do is keep trying...just as long as you recognize that no one has a duty to follow your idea...give it your best shot.

[whoppers]

Originally Posted by Mircea

Why would I want to tolerate my enemy?

My enemy intends to cause me harm and force me to suffer grief, so why would I ever tolerate that?

If I exterminate my enemy, then I no longer suffer any harm or grief, and more importantly, I don't have to waste valuable time, energy, money and resources trying to undo the damage and harm caused by my enemy.



Conflict eventually ends, usually with one side as victor.



Faith causes tremendous harm and damage to people, so of course I would naturally "refuse to understand."

I'll give you an excellent textbook example.

Scholars come across a term in an ancient language, and they allow their christian faith to corrupt things so that this term is erroneously, falsely and incorrectly translated as "underworld."

That caused tremendous harm to people for more than a century, leading people to falsely believe that the Sumerians and Akkadians had a belief in the after-life and in Hell, when in fact they did not.

This egregious error resulted in many other misunderstandings of Sumerian and Akkadian culture, and in particular the scope and breadth of the Sumerian and Akkadian kingdoms with respect to income, finances, trade, economics, culture, exploration, astronomy and mathematics.

It wasn't until the mid-1980s that a group of scholars finally convened and attempted to persuade "the faithful" that they had erred. The result was that this ancient term/phrase is now officially translated as "netherworld" and while that is better, it is still erroneous, false and incorrect.

And even though it has been nearly 30 years, many texts still mistranslates the phrase as "underworld."

This, um, "underworld/netherworld" rather oddly has a large river flowing through mountains to the sea, and the mountains and river are full of gold. Thousands of cuneiform texts from the period of the Akkad Kingdom record shiploads full of gold being brought from the "underworld/netherworld" to Sumer/Akkad.

That river is the Zambesi, and they still mine gold in those mountains to this day.

That's just one of thousands of examples that I'm aware of, where people have been misled by "the faithful."

Just out of curiosity - since you're frequently using the phrase "Sumer/Akkad" as if they are one and the same, or similar - which language was this word in? Sumerian? Akkadian? And what was the word?

Since you're negatively talking about the "faithful", you understand why I would like a reference to the actual word - rather than taking it on faith from you. I don't want a link to some conspiracy theory site, please - just the word and the language of the word.