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Old 12-19-2011, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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A lot of the footage comes from 2001, A Space Odyssey esp the the part of discovering the bone as a weapon.

Yes it makes a lot of sense and I seriously doubt folk would even know where to start refuting it.
What about the narration? It sounds familiar.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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I would not know about that, I only recognised the footage.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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Well worth watching that's for sure.
Thanks, it is a profound video
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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If religion has anything to do with it , than that would leave Lord Jesus out because fear blocks the Lord Jesus, as there is no love in fear which faith is absent.....Jesus could not help even if He tried...
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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If religion has anything to do with it , than that would leave Lord Jesus out because fear blocks the Lord Jesus, as there is no love in fear which faith is absent.....Jesus could not help even if He tried...
Glad you figured it out as your jesus never existed (at least not in the way your bible depicts him)
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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If religion has anything to do with it , than that would leave Lord Jesus out because fear blocks the Lord Jesus, as there is no love in fear which faith is absent.....Jesus could not help even if He tried...
Yep, demonstrates the clear and rational origins of religion. It is not blocking JC, but a clear and rational explanation of the origin of your boy. For without the fear, all the religions and their gods are as powerless as the imaginary monster under the bed when you were a kid.

You are also right, there is no love in fear, and a love born in fear is simply a sick relationship. Knowledge is the counter force to fear, and renders fear powerless save for those that seem to love the fear.

I'm sure that many view that footage with a great deal of fear, loathing, and anger, instead of the enlightened view of mankind's past and present. Did watching it allow your mind to soar, or only your blood pressure?
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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So before I give the clip an F-

Are there any last words ?

This gives me something to look forward to after a nice little snooze. See you tomorrow.

Enjoy what little , is truly left for the weekend.

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Old 01-15-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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So before I give the clip an F-

Are there any last words ?

This gives me something to look forward to after a nice little snooze. See you tomorrow.

Enjoy what little , is truly left for the weekend.
Me thinks someone was offended because the facts depicted fly in the face of their fairy tale.

Wonder if they are going to provide evidence to show where it is wrong, or just slam down their insult and leave?
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:49 AM
 
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Me thinks someone was offended because the facts depicted fly in the face of their fairy tale.

Wonder if they are going to provide evidence to show where it is wrong, or just slam down their insult and leave?


Early man asked where did we come from?

Curiosity was the compelling catylst not fear. In other words a logical wonder...these are historical facts.

When degrees of awareness in early man came to be, the interest was solely for the welfare of himself alone.

Others were competitors.

One person communities dominated... The one early man was ruler, provider,
protector ect.

Hunter male..gathering female & the family unit grew out of the recognition of others...re a variety of influence and advantage.

The hunter-gatherer societies introduced the reality of close relationships & care. These strengths of real exchange both sympathetic and empathetic (object of contemplation) are what binds all of mankind together. It is a strength which will reflect progress, has done nothing but reflect a collective progress and will always become further prominate with time. Here we see the birth of unity, mans quest.

Commonalities realized through conflict and or mutual need, are the basis for
development, progress and peace.

Wild distortions of fear and confusion in early mans mode for manner are un-educated.

The simple question for a high school student viewing this clip would
be...

How is fear and confusion connected to surrendering nature to a higher power, when its organization of operations is PERFECTLY CLEAR and allows for the enjoyment of life experience ?

Intelligently complaining this is not confusion or fear, it is appreciation which is rooted in common sense .

Appreciation-unity is the corner-stone of our civilization not fear-confusion, as oddly suggested.

The expressed doorways toward the conscious inner self is mans unique ability providing for an appropiate rational outcome which is slow, as it is not apart from the evolving principal historically , collectively or individually but none the less, logically evident.

Humanitys general progress will always reflect the mean quality in consciousness.

The presentation assumes a God exists when it suggests man "thinks" he will share in an afterlife existence relative to human spiritual development. Early man in keeping with a Source idea attributed the Sun to charactorize a God figure. The idea is also in keeping with the evolving growing nurturing principal as the concept changed frequently over time. For example:

It was believed at one time a Sun-God sacrificed himself and became a more compassionate Sun-God replacing the previous Sun-God...Interesting huh. Wheres the ...we got scared... and hiding behind the bush in fear?

No...this would be the birth of an interior life as empathy (object of contemplation) and sympathy were understood as qualities and attributed to their Sun-God out of intelligence for, substance.

Uniting with the idea of God early man develops a relationship and enrichs meaning through great steps in unity and appreciation. A friendship is born not out of fear but intelligence for a recognized organization of operations.

The intencity of care and affection in early man under what would be, some good conditions among each other, would probably put some contemporary population to shame. This quality of individual appreciation naturally extends the comprehension of uniqueness, above the known enviorement as it is detached and apart from the known material enviorement and all which appears to be in motion.

The devotion and experience of a lost other, is then assumed into....the care of Sun God. A person-individual unique, non- repeatable event in profound appreciation in which the Sun-Gods goodness could not discard as worthless...a mutual appreciation.

So it is not in self fear or "for self" in which an after-life is seemed natural... but in an appreciation of another in valued goodness, rationally understood as a greater reality apart from the material-physical , followed by a fundemental accepted reality.

It is in the justification of another through appreciation which bestows the logical maintenance of contiuance, supported by reason, for reason, in an enviorment easily shown to be well organized in operations. ( Interestingly were in the same boat...but then why should there be any advantage, something not learned-earned is not appreciated and tossed out. Are we too comfortable I wonder...definately too distracted.

Even elephants recognize the un-mistakable value as well mystical reality in the continuing value-goodness in lost comrades as they visit the bones in a ritual type observance...
These are not simply my conclusions, they are the only conclusions.

The most remarkable observation man can make from early man is the perseverence and undeniable recognition of value in appreciation and unity. A true occurence which took place enabling our existence.

To "use" our ancestors as doormats in an abject objective, subtly inviting higher supremecy suggesting that they were a bunch of dumb nitwits... is a disgrace to say the least.

Many in some very good conditions including climate ect would have enjoyed and appreciated life far more than in todays world with....greed, hunger, bad water, crumby family unit expectations and zero example for hope.... Contemporary role models..?

If we could raise a group of early men for a walk around the globe after a whopping 20,000 yrs or so they would be disgusted but more then likely try to understand in a fair way....more fair then what is seen in this slant suggesting a bunch of cowards at general humanity. Unbelievable.

One day I believe man will return to the symbolic representation of the sun to most accurately depict a more then probable "symbolically" accurate Source of Creation. It would appear more then ideal in many ways.

Fear is the root cause of aggressiveness not God ideas....Empathy, sympathy,
compassion, are all appreciative values unfolding and disclosing humanitys obvious quest unity.

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Old 01-16-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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Early man asked where did we come from?

Curiosity was the compelling catylst not fear. In other words a logical wonder...these are historical facts.

When degrees of awareness in early man came to be, the interest was solely for the welfare of himself alone.

Others were competitors.

One person communities dominated... The one early man was ruler, provider,
protector ect.

Hunter male..gathering female & the family unit grew out of the recognition of others...re a variety of influence and advantage.

The hunter-gatherer societies introduced the reality of close relationships & care. These strengths of real exchange both sympathetic and empathetic (object of contemplation) are what binds all of mankind together. It is a strength which will reflect progress, has done nothing but reflect a collective progress and will always become further prominate with time. Here we see the birth of unity, mans quest.

Commonalities realized through conflict and or mutual need, are the basis for
development, progress and peace.

Wild distortions of fear and confusion in early mans mode for manner are un-educated.

The simple question for a high school student viewing this clip would
be...

How is fear and confusion connected to surrendering nature to a higher power, when its organization of operations is PERFECTLY CLEAR and allows for the enjoyment of life experience ?

Intelligently complaining this is not confusion or fear, it is appreciation which is rooted in common sense .

Appreciation-unity is the corner-stone of our civilization not fear-confusion, as oddly suggested.
The fear aspect is of course a made up aspect of religion. The other tribes are demonized and their practices and this then forms the basis of a religion. Upping the ante to suggest this comes from a higher up authority unseen but only in communique with the tribal chief/medicine man then takes on a whole new way of life. Only the deer leader has authority to speak to this deity, you see this clearly in the myth of moses who disappears and then comes back with the supposed profound god edicts that were in reality his own invention.
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The expressed doorways toward the conscious inner self is mans unique ability providing for an appropiate rational outcome which is slow, as it is not apart from the evolving principal historically , collectively or individually but none the less, logically evident.

Humanitys general progress will always reflect the mean quality in consciousness.

The presentation assumes a God exists when it suggests man "thinks" he will share in an afterlife existence relative to human spiritual development. Early man in keeping with a Source idea attributed the Sun to charactorize a God figure. The idea is also in keeping with the evolving growing nurturing principal as the concept changed frequently over time. For example:

It was believed at one time a Sun-God sacrificed himself and became a more compassionate Sun-God replacing the previous Sun-God...Interesting huh. Wheres the ...we got scared... and hiding behind the bush in fear?
Once the unknown is ascribed to a god, this god grows in stature and his powers ALL that was not explainable. We now know that lightning and storms are not god edicts or punishments but simply a natural phenomenon.
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No...this would be the birth of an interior life as empathy (object of contemplation) and sympathy were understood as qualities and attributed to their Sun-God out of intelligence for, substance.

Uniting with the idea of God early man develops a relationship and enrichs meaning through great steps in unity and appreciation. A friendship is born not out of fear but intelligence for a recognized organization of operations.
The history of religions tends to refute that noble assertion.
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The intencity of care and affection in early man under what would be, some good conditions among each other, would probably put some contemporary population to shame. This quality of individual appreciation naturally extends the comprehension of uniqueness, above the known enviorement as it is detached and apart from the known material enviorement and all which appears to be in motion.

The devotion and experience of a lost other, is then assumed into....the care of Sun God. A person-individual unique, non- repeatable event in profound appreciation in which the Sun-Gods goodness could not discard as worthless...a mutual appreciation.
Of course a sun god could be seen as reliable as it brought heat and light plus when the moon was full, one could see in the dark. The folk really did not know how it all transpired so they invented the concept that this god created it for the humans. I am sure they observed the cyclic apparitions of the moon and even invented calendars to match, yet back then they did not know what caused this.
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So it is not in self fear or "for self" in which an after-life is seemed natural... but in an appreciation of another in valued goodness, rationally understood as a greater reality apart from the material-physical , followed by a fundemental accepted reality.
What better way to deal with mortality than to suggest an underworld or post life existence? It dealt with the finality of death in a more humane way with the hope that there would be a reconnection in a hereafter.
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It is in the justification of another through appreciation which bestows the logical maintenance of contiuance, supported by reason, for reason, in an enviorment easily shown to be well organized in operations. ( Interestingly were in the same boat...but then why should there be any advantage, something not learned-earned is not appreciated and tossed out. Are we too comfortable I wonder...definately too distracted.

Even elephants recognize the un-mistakable value as well mystical reality in the continuing value-goodness in lost comrades as they visit the bones in a ritual type observance...
These are not simply my conclusions, they are the only conclusions.
They are not the only conclusions. Sorry.
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The most remarkable observation man can make from early man is the perseverence and undeniable recognition of value in appreciation and unity. A true occurence which took place enabling our existence.
That is called society, no god required really apart form a god of the gaps.
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To "use" our ancestors as doormats in an abject objective, subtly inviting higher supremecy suggesting that they were a bunch of dumb nitwits... is a disgrace to say the least.
I agree in part as I cannot see that folk we any less curious than we are today. Many things they had no clue as to the mechanics of say reproduction other than it had something to do with intercourse. Only in the 1800's onwards did the mechanics become known when we discovered the female contribution.
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Many in some very good conditions including climate ect would have enjoyed and appreciated life far more than in todays world with....greed, hunger, bad water, crumby family unit expectations and zero example for hope.... Contemporary role models..?

If we could raise a group of early men for a walk around the globe after a whopping 20,000 yrs or so they would be disgusted but more then likely try to understand in a fair way....more fair then what is seen in this slant suggesting a bunch of cowards at general humanity. Unbelievable.

One day I believe man will return to the symbolic representation of the sun to most accurately depict a more then probable "symbolically" accurate Source of Creation. It would appear more then ideal in many ways.

Fear is the root cause of aggressiveness not God ideas....Empathy, sympathy,
compassion, are all appreciative values unfolding and disclosing humanitys obvious quest unity.
Much of what you stated here is very humanistic and essentially I agree with most of it.

IMO the accruement of knowledge was hampered by the religion and the gods invented and these gods are the ones driven purely by fear of the unknown. Even modern science has no clue what happens after death except that we know consciousness is 100% a brain activity and once this ceases, death occurs and that is it.

We still face the mortality issue yet we are now able with the help of science to survive pneumonia where in the past this was terminal. My own mother lived to 87+ and she was tired of living in her last years. She had a number of surgeries that obviously prolonged her life.

The new discoveries by way of science means we need to let go of the past ideas and accept the mass volumes of knowledge we now have.

Clustered societies of course have their challenges and as such the simple hunter gatherer mode is no longer realistic. We now have to use agriculture and ranching to replace the gathering and hunting of yore. It is more efficient as we can control this and not be dependant to the whims of nature.
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