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The Bible says that there was no death in the world until Adam and Eve sinned. Evolution says that man came about from many years of creatures reproducing and dying.
The Bible says that thorns and thistles were a result of mans sin and fall. Evolution says that there were thorns and thistles long before man came on the scene.
The Bible says that Eve was made from Adam’s rib. Evolution says that woman evolved seperately from an ape like creature just like man did.
The Bible says that man was made from the dust of the ground. Evolution says that man evolved from an ape like creature.
The Bible says that everything was created in 6 days. Evolution says that everything came about from millions of years of evolution.
The Ten Commandments back up the creation story: Exodus 20: “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
What does Jesus say about the creation story? Mark 10:6 “But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female.'’ It sounds like Jesus accepted the creation story. What does Paul say about it? Romans 5: 12 “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man” That’s Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45 “And so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul.”
You see if you remove the creation story from the Bible, you might as well get rid of the whole Bible because the whole Bible supports and is dependent on the Genesis creation story being true. If there is no literal creation story, there is no Adam, no original sin, no need for a second Adam, Jesus and no need for salvation. Your salvation testimony verifies that the creation story in the Bible is literal and true.
Evolution is entirely compatible with the bible when the bible is seen as a spiritual guide rather than a supposed compilation of science and history.
I will point out one of the problems your post introduces when you try to usurp scientific study with biblical interpretation.
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The Bible says that there was no death in the world until Adam and Eve sinned. Evolution says that man came about from many years of creatures reproducing and dying.
That interpretation alone suggests that physical death is what was meant. That is contradicted in the new testament if you believe John 3:16 in the same light. By contrast a believer will never die physically if they believe in Christ because they will never perish.
The argument that the new testament meant spiritual and the old testament is about the physical cannot be backed up by anything but speculation.
You do not need to remove the creation story from the bible just because a person might think that evolutionary science is the possible means by which God made things. It is only when you take a certain approach to the bible which is not very sound can the suggestion be made that they are not.
The Bible says that there was no death in the world until Adam and Eve sinned. Evolution says that man came about from many years of creatures reproducing and dying.
The geologic record disproves the bible's claims that there was no death in the world.
Even if you rejected that, then you are confronted with the undeniable fact that humans always lived outside of the Garden of Eden, which contradicts the bible.
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The Bible says that thorns and thistles were a result of mans sin and fall. Evolution says that there were thorns and thistles long before man came on the scene.
The geologic record proves thorns and thistles existed long before humans existed.
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The Bible says that Eve was made from Adam’s rib. Evolution says that woman evolved seperately from an ape like creature just like man did.
The geologic record also disproves the bible's claims.
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The Bible says that man was made from the dust of the ground. Evolution says that man evolved from an ape like creature.
Actually the Hebrew word refers to a red clay, not dust.
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The Bible says that everything was created in 6 days. Evolution says that everything came about from millions of years of evolution.
The bible story was stolen from the creation stories of older civilizations, which claimed creation took millions of years.
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The Ten Commandments back up the creation story:
The 10 Commandments were stolen from the Egyptians. They come from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, written about 1,000 years before Joseph ended up in Egypt.
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What does Jesus say about the creation story?
It doesn't matter what Jesus said. In the first place, he's biased and in the second place, much of what he said never came true. He claimed his followers would be performing miracles daily. They are not.
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You see if you remove the creation story from the Bible, you might as well get rid of the whole Bible because the whole Bible supports and is dependent on the Genesis creation story being true.
That's right. The bible is as worthless as the paper its written on.
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If there is no literal creation story, there is no Adam, no original sin, no need for a second Adam, Jesus and no need for salvation. Your salvation testimony verifies that the creation story in the Bible is literal and true.
There was never a need for salvation.
Your god isn't very smart.
How long did it take Yahweh to figure out that you needed salvation?
Christians please see this post. It validates my point that if you accept evolution you render the gospel useless.
Hey now - don't misuse what I wrote.
The Book of Genesis has NOTHING to do with the Gospel Message. I was not implying anything of the sort. Anyone who thinks it relates to the "Gospel Message" is laboring under the miconception that the serpent is the devil, and that the Curse contains a prophecy of Jesus: which it most definately does not.
Here's exactly what I was talking about - reading a text, and then reading into it LATER ideas. Whether you're reading into that text ideas of evolution OR Jesus Christ - you're not accepting the text's message, and you're changing it to suit your fancy. It's called retrojecting - that's when you take later ideas (that the author of Genesis would not have been aware of) and insist that the author of Genesis DID know about them, even if this requires creative reading of Genesis.
If you want to take anything out of what I said, it should be this:
If you find that science and rational, reasonable exploration conflicts with a text written thousands of years ago - the reasonable thing to do is to accept that the author was incorrect about the origins of the earth. The unreasonable thing to do would be to REJECT modern research, in favor of the older texts account of the world. That would be backasswards against reason.
I view the first part of the book of Genesis as basically saying that God created everything. It should be noted that Genesis was written for the Hebrew mindset. We (westerners) are of the Greek mindset. By Greek I mean we follow the Greek way of thinking and looking at the world. We want precise answers, facts, figures order of occurrence and dates.
The Hebrew mindset is primarily interested in concepts, with facts and figures being secondary. What mattered to the Hebrews is that God created the Universe. The order and time of the events were not important to the Hebrew mind.
As I see it you run into problems applying Greek thinking to a Hebrew document. That is why the creation story does not make sense to the scientific mind. Of course we always must bear in mind that God is not limited to obey the laws of nature. So, if God wanted to create the universe in six, 24 hour days He could.
For me science gives us the How. Religion gives us the Why.
Why does man seem obligated to reduce the Power of God to do it in 6 literal days? Our science is extremely limited reduced to the limits of our finite mortal brains. Science isn't wrong as it is observations. Our conclusions in science have been wrong many times and will continue to be wrong.
With all science, there is at least two conclusions.
Great book to read. I think it's a slam dunk actually. To think we've evolved is a conclusion that is scientifically and mathematically irrational. To imply a designer is not.
How does a interdependent cycle evolve?
What's interesting is that Scientists by and large have come to the conclusion the Universe has to be finite by observing Thermodynamic principles. While what is inside the universe is subject to its laws, but what about outside of it.
If the universe has boundaries it suggests possibly something is on the other side. The Scriptures call it the Third Heaven.
It requires greater faith to believe we came from a Rock billions of years ago than that God created everything in 6 literal days resting on the seventh.
The most extreme reasoning is the concept of Pascal's wager. If God doesn't exist and we wager he does, no big deal. If God does exist and we wager he doesn't, what is the consequence?
It is our very EXISTENCE we are talking about. The scripture says after this life it is Eternal with no repentance. We are either with our Creator or eternally Separated from him. We better wage this one correctly.
You see if you remove the creation story from the Bible, you might as well get rid of the whole Bible because the whole Bible supports and is dependent on the Genesis creation story being true. If there is no literal creation story, there is no Adam, no original sin, no need for a second Adam, Jesus and no need for salvation. Your salvation testimony verifies that the creation story in the Bible is literal and true.
I agree with everything you wrote here except your mind boggling conclusion.
You see, we know to a scientific certainty we're not all descended from a single couple. We know to a scientific certainty that humanity has existed for an order of magnitude longer than the biblical creation story allows for. We know to a scientific certainty there has never been a global flood. And we know to a scientific certainty that evolution exists.
Ergo, as you so eloquently stated, rather than disproving evolution, you've just disproved christianity. Congratulations!
PS. For the record, I believe we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, but any similarity to the truth of that existence and what any human made religion teaches is purely coincidental.
Christians please see this post. It validates my point that if you accept evolution you render the gospel useless.
Chatter over Mind, your point is contradicted by the fact that many of us think evolution is a valid scientific explanation of how God may have done things and it does not threaten or hinder our faith or the gospel message on any scale.
Chatter over Mind, your point is contradicted by the fact that many of us think evolution is a valid scientific explanation of how God may have done things and it does not threaten or hinder our faith or the gospel message on any scale.
You see, we know to a scientific certainty we're not all descended from a single couple. We know to a scientific certainty that humanity has existed for an order of magnitude longer than the biblical creation story allows for. We know to a scientific certainty there has never been a global flood. And we know to a scientific certainty that evolution exists.
All lies.
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