Did a World-Wide Flood in Noah's day Happen? (paradise, heaven, philosophical)
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I don't believe that there was a global deluge. A deluge is a more local event, but there were probably many at the beginning of the Holocene period, but they certainly didn't all happen at the same time.
A deluge...Is an outburst flood, which is a type of megaflood, It is a high magnitude, low frequency catastrophic flood involving the sudden release of water. During the last deglaciation, numerous glacial lake outburst floods were caused by the collapse of either ice sheets or glaciers that formed the dams of proglacial lakes. Examples of older outburst floods are known from the geological past of the Earth. Landslides, lahars, and volcanic dams can also block rivers and create lakes, which trigger such floods when the rock or earthen barrier collapses or is eroded. Lakes also form behind glacial moraines, which can collapse and create outburst floods.
The global flood story is nothing but a myth, but perhaps those caught in a deluge did think it was world wide.
That was an impressive post, Mircea. It is useful to summarily refute the repeated claims that are faith - based rather than on any evidence 'Humans are 6,000 years old' (in a recent Creationist seminar to announce new 'Young earth' evidence the date was revised to 50,000 years B.C - to some uncomfortable muttering from the audience of faithful).
And the oft - repeated but apparently unchecked claim that there are huge underground reservoirs. This is simply untrue and the claim apparently derives from the amount of moisture in the rocks under China amounting to 'an ocean' in total. But that is no more available free water than the dampness in the dirt in my back garden.
That was an impressive post, Mircea. It is useful to summarily refute the repeated claims that are faith - based rather than on any evidence 'Humans are 6,000 years old' (in a recent Creationist seminar to announce new 'Young earth' evidence the date was revised to 50,000 years B.C - to some uncomfortable muttering from the audience of faithful).
And the oft - repeated but apparently unchecked claim that there are huge underground reservoirs. This is simply untrue and the claim apparently derives from the amount of moisture in the rocks under China amounting to 'an ocean' in total. But that is no more available free water than the dampness in the dirt in my back garden.
One of the obvious flaws in this myth precedes the actual flood where the bible states that there was no rain and water like oozed out of the ground as a mist or springs. One can see both of these phenomenon with the right conditions.
The problem here is that more magic is required as the water cycle which science has AGAIN explained is simply swept under the rug of ignorance yet NO ONE in their right mind denies how the water cycle works, evaporation > condensation > precipitation and assuming folk had pots the boiled water in would see the first, if a lid was available they would see the latter two by evidence of water droplets.
I find it hard to believe these simple aspects were not observed even by ancient man and some lad or lass did not like say err what about... I guess the elders and priests simply said what the religious folk say today, accept what you are told and don;t ask questions.
We have come a long ways since boiling water in earthenware or steel pots.
The other aspect of the tale as far as the rainbow goes, we all know how light refracts through water droplets and prisms to show the colour spectrum and back then with all the animal sacrifice, someone must have noticed oil/fat on water and the rainbow effect this causes (seen oil on a puddle on a road)
The other aspect of prisms, these and crystals form "rainbows" or more specifically refract light so god must have imbued this natural feature in plexiglass and glass that man would only discover much later in his evolution.
One need not even dispute the water and all that goes with that, the start and ending of the tale are based on untruths which should give any sane man the conclusion that the tale is really a myth and nothing more.
Back then they did not have microscopes and did not understand the water cycle and as thunder, lightning, rain and hail was the realm of the gods, the rainbow also became something the godz did. One can understand this as a rainbow even though we know what causes it is still awesome.
One of my own pics
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One of the obvious flaws in this myth precedes the actual flood where the bible states that there was no rain and water like oozed out of the ground as a mist or springs. One can see both of these phenomenon with the right conditions.
That depends upon when that was so as recorded in the book of truths.
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The problem here is that more magic is required as the water cycle which science has AGAIN explained is simply swept under the rug of ignorance yet NO ONE in their right mind denies how the water cycle works, evaporation > condensation > precipitation and assuming folk had pots the boiled water in would see the first, if a lid was available they would see the latter two by evidence of water droplets.
It doesn't say there never was rain in Noah's day.
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I find it hard to believe these simple aspects were not observed even by ancient man and some lad or lass did not like say err what about... I guess the elders and priests simply said what the religious folk say today, accept what you are told and don;t ask questions.
We are talking about God setting a rainbow in the clouds as a covenant with humanity, not whether humans saw multi-colors in a mud puddle.
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We have come a long ways since boiling water in earthenware or steel pots.
At least some people have.
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The other aspect of the tale as far as the rainbow goes, we all know how light refracts through water droplets and prisms to show the colour spectrum and back then with all the animal sacrifice, someone must have noticed oil/fat on water and the rainbow effect this causes (seen oil on a puddle on a road)
Rainbows do not occur in water. They are specific to, well, you know, rain.
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The other aspect of prisms, these and crystals form "rainbows" or more specifically refract light so god must have imbued this natural feature in plexiglass and glass that man would only discover much later in his evolution.
Crystal refraction bows are not rainbows. The difference is between one caused by ice crystals and the other by water droplets.
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One need not even dispute the water and all that goes with that, the start and ending of the tale are based on untruths which should give any sane man the conclusion that the tale is really a myth and nothing more.
Just because you don't understand the actual processes does not mean you are correct that the historic world-wide flood did not take place. Any sane man would know it is the truth that there was a world-wide flood.
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Back then they did not have microscopes and did not understand the water cycle and as thunder, lightning, rain and hail was the realm of the gods, the rainbow also became something the godz did. One can understand this as a rainbow even though we know what causes it is still awesome.
Do you have proof they did not have microscopes prior to the flood? Do you have proof they didn't understand the water cycle? Obviously you never studied the book of Job who describes the cycles quite well.
It is about polystrate fossils. It puts the nail in the coffin where evolutionists state that the multiple layers of sediment occurred over millions of years for each layer. These polystrate fossils are all over the world. Read and weep.
An object (in this case a pencil) part immersed in water looks bent due to refraction: the light waves from X change direction and so seem to originate at Y
A level layer of oil in the rainbow region will show different colours
through the slick because of the change in angle of view. Therefore
if rainbow is present, a range of colours will be visible.
Pre flood water "non cycle"
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
There friend, some sciencey stuff and educating you on the bible you should know.
Man and beast and all creepeth critter survived without rain - yeah right - pull my other thumb
It is about polystrate fossils. It puts the nail in the coffin where evolutionists state that the multiple layers of sediment occurred over millions of years for each layer. These polystrate fossils are all over the world. Read and weep.
Actually I read it and laughed.... First the word polystrate is not a standard geological term. This term is typically only found in creationist publications.
In geology, such fossils are referred to as upright fossils, trunks, or trees. Brief periods of rapid sedimentation favor their formation. Upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time, decades to thousands of years long, characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments.
The upright fossil trees of the Yellowstone petrified forest in the Gallatin Range, occur buried within the lahars and other volcanic deposits comprising the Eocene Lamar River Formation as the result of periods of rapid sedimentation associated with explosive volcanism. Polystrate fossil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thank you. Polystrates - I don't mind using the term - don't actually fit the flood scenario very well. In a tearing deluge that washed out the grand canyon, the trees, roots and all would be washed out and the whole lot buried horizontally in mud, branches and all. The actual remains of stumps in one or more sediment layers suggests a long period of growth in one strata, death and burial in a second strata and the top part of the trunk and the branches rotted away while the lower parts in it two or more layers of accumulated strata became fossilized. They are better explained as a product of geological ages than a sudden flood.
There are at least 33 seperate racial records of a great flood amoung people and races who live today. Of this number, only the Egyptian and Scandinavian records fail to coincide absolutely with Moses account. Greek tradition mentions a warning from gods of a great flood; Chinese ( Fa-Ha) have a flood story; The English, Hindus, Aztecs of Mexico, Incas of Peru, The Fiji Islanders, and even American Indians have traditional stories about a flood.
The Polynesians account is interesting; in obedience to the commands of the god " Kane", Nuu built a large boat with a house on it. And the story goes on with striking simularity to the biblical account.
It is generally conceded by ethnologists that when races of people hold to a common, strongly developed belief, there must have been some historical event ( or incident), as the basics of that universal tradition.
Archaeologist found Ashurbanipals library and it contained a flood account. They also discovered " The Gilgamesh Epic", and it contained a flood account. The Babylonians have a flood record.
Utnapishtims version of the flood closely parallels the Moses account.
There are at least 33 seperate racial records of a great flood amoung people and races who live today. Of this number, only the Egyptian and Scandinavian records fail to coincide absolutely with Moses account. Greek tradition mentions a warning from gods of a great flood; Chinese ( Fa-Ha) have a flood story; The English, Hindus, Aztecs of Mexico, Incas of Peru, The Fiji Islanders, and even American Indians have traditional stories about a flood.
The Polynesians account is interesting; in obedience to the commands of the god " Kane", Nuu built a large boat with a house on it. And the story goes on with striking simularity to the biblical account.
It is generally conceded by ethnologists that when races of people hold to a common, strongly developed belief, there must have been some historical event ( or incident), as the basics of that universal tradition.
Archaeologist found Ashurbanipals library and it contained a flood account. They also discovered " The Gilgamesh Epic", and it contained a flood account. The Babylonians have a flood record.
Utnapishtims version of the flood closely parallels the Moses account.
Yup, there were lots of floods then, and there are still lots of floods in modern times...Queensland Australia December 2010, 70 towns and 200,000 people affected....Thailand 2011, 65 of 77 Thailand's provinces declared disaster zones....China, June, 2011, 500,000 people evacuated because of floods...Cambodia, October, 2011, worst flood in living memory, more than a million people affected....The list goes on and on....Think of Japan one year ago.
Yup, there were lots of floods then, and there are still lots of floods in modern times...Queensland Australia December 2010, 70 towns and 200,000 people affected....Thailand 2011, 65 of 77 Thailand's provinces declared disaster zones....China, June, 2011, 500,000 people evacuated because of floods...Cambodia, October, 2011, worst flood in living memory, more than a million people affected....The list goes on and on....Think of Japan one year ago.
Ashurbanipals library yielded not only an account of the flood, but a creation account. We even have clay tablets with the flood record on them. Even Mesopotamia has a flood record and their own version of Noah. Utnapishtim is what its known as.
The Gilgamesh record found by archaeologist is of intrest to me in that it has pictures of the early Kings who fashioned themselves as " Survivors of the Flood", in order to enhance their legacys. I am of a mind to start a thread that investigates could Noah build a boat big enough to accommodate all that was to be taken inside of this incredible ark.
Because what I have found out is equally incredible.
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