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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Did the Earth BECOME Chaos and Vacant?
It is my contention that "hawyaw" should be translated "became" or "coming to be" or "is becoming" in Genesis 1:2:
Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth. Yet the earth
became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the
submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water. (Genesis 1:1-2)
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Okay.
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
If we look at how this word was translated in the other verses of Genesis we get the drift of what the word means:
And saying is the Elohim, "Become light!" And it is becoming light....
water, and coming is a separation between water and water. And coming is it to be so. And making is the Elohim the atmosphere. And separating is...
And seeing is the Elohim that it is good. And coming is it to be
evening and coming to be morning, the second day. (Genesis 1:6-8)
And coming is it to be so....
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Not relevant.
This...
Genesis 6:3 So Yahweh said, “My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years.”
...is very instructive.
Scholars and translators have struggled with this nonsensical passage for centuries. To understand it properly, you have to understand how verbs function in Classical Biblical Hebrew (CBH).
In most languages, different verb forms exist to express past, present and future. Examples:
English: I was (Past); I am (Present); I will be (Future)
Romanian: eram (Past); sunt (Present); voi fi (Future)
CBH: ’ehyeh (Past); ’ehyeh (Present); ’ehyeh (Future)
See the problem?
Classical Biblical Hebrew makes no distinction in time. Accordingly, all of the following are literally correct translations of Genesis 6:3 but the are not necessarily the
best translation of Genesis 6:3
They remained for 120 more years
They remain for 120 more years
They will remain for 120 more years
The latter is the most common translation in bibles, because the first two didn’t make any sense. The biblical record makes clear the fact that people lived far longer than 120 years. The last sentence makes no sense either, since after the Deluge people still lived far longer than 120 years.
What changed things was the discovery of Sumer and its wonderful ancient texts, which have only been translated over the last 50-60 years.
This enigma is easily resolved by reviewing the original written account of the Deluge, as written by the Sumerians. In that context, the pronoun refers to the bene-elohim (the sons of the lords), not to humans.
Genesis 6:1 When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 6:2 the sons of the Elohim saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose. 6:3 So Yahweh said, “My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years.”
6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of the Elohim were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children.
We know that Sumerians used the Sexigesimal System (Base 60) instead of the Decimal System (Base 10). A Sumerian shar is 3,600 years and so 120 shars would be 432,000 years.
We know from Sumerian Cosmogony that the
bene-elohim arrived on Earth circa 442,000 BCE and so what the Sumerian texts are saying is that the
bene-elohim were on Earth for 432,000 years before the Deluge occurred.
The best translation then is:
Genesis 6:3...They [the bene-elohim] remained for 120 more years [after their arrival].
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
In the Targum attributed to Onkelos in the 2nd century B.C. he translated into Aramaic of Genesis 1:2 thus:
w'aretsah hawath tsadh'ya which is: "and the earth was laid waste." This is an interpretation of the original Hebrew of Gen.1:2.
Arthur C. Custance on page 15 of his book "Without Form and Void" said of the above translation of Onkelos:
"We have here, therefore, a rendering "and the earth was laide waste", an interpretation of the original Hebrew of Gen.1:2 which leaves little room for doubt that Onkelos understood this to mean that something had occurred between verse 1 and verse 2 to reduce the earth to this desolated condition. It reflects Ginsberg's Jewish legend."
On page 24 of the same book he wrote:
"Professor Johann August Dathe of Leipzig published his great six-volume work on the Books of the Old Testament and he translated Gen.1:2: "Afterwards the earth became (facta erat) a waste and desolation."
"He {the professon Dathe} comments on this passage as follows:
"i.e., Waw before 'the earth' cannot be translated 'AND', for it would then refer back to verse 1, where the narrative has 'the earth and heaven were created by God'. Whereas verse 2 proceeds to tell how that the earth, at some uncertain time, had undergone some remarkable change. Therefore 'waw' stands for 'afterwards' and is so to be interpreted, as it so often is."
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That would be even more evidence that the Hebrews copied their Cosmogony from other older sources, specifically, Sumerian sources.
Sumerian Cosmogony is this:
1] The original Solar System after it first formed consisted of Sun, Mercury and Tiamat/Earth orbiting in the present day Asteroid Belt.
2] Venus and Mars were formed
3] Jupiter and Saturn were formed
4] Uranus and Neptune were formed
5] Kingu (our "Moon") forms with Tiamat (Earth)
6] A Rogue Planet enters the Solar System. This Rogue Planet is on a clockwise orbit; the Rogue Planet has a clockwise axial rotation; the moon of the Rogue Planet have a clockwise orbit around the Rogue Planet; and the moons have a clockwise axial rotation
Note that every celestial body in our Solar System has a counter-clockwise orbit; a counter-clockwise axial rotation; and the moons of all planetary bodies have counter-clockwise orbits and axial rotations.
7] A moon of the Rogue Planet strikes a moon of Neptune. Neptune's moon is destroyed and the debris forms rings around Neptune. The main body of debris strikes Neptune leaving a visible mark. The moon now orbiting Neptune (called Triton) has a counter-clockwise orbit around Neptune and a counter-clockwise axial rotation. That is irrefutable proof that Triton
was formed outside of our Solar System.
8] The Rogue Planet, now locked in permanent orbit around the Sun, on one of its subsequent orbits has an encounter with Uranus. One of the moons of the Rogue Planet collide with a moon of Uranus, forming rings and knocking Uranus "on its side."
9] On a subsequent orbit, one of the moons of the Rogue Planet collides with Tiamat (Earth). The collision destroys the moon and the force shunts Tiamat (Earth) along with Kingu (our Moon) into a new orbit in the location where Earth is now.
So, yes, effectively, Earth was created, laid waste and then "reborn" in a new orbit that was even more conducive to evolution.
Genesis is just an abridged version of Sumerian Cosmogony. At the time Alexander conquered the "Middle East" both Sumer and Akkad were already ancient history, having been buried for nearly 17 Centuries under accumulated dust, dirt and debris.
The Hebrews have the Sumerian Cosmogony, but don't understand it, and they cannot ask the Sumerians to clarify it, because the Sumerians have ceased to exist centuries earlier. Not understanding it, the Hebrews then edited it to fit their understanding, leaving out pertinent parts, but leaving enough clues, especial Sumerian and Akkadian loan-words to prove that the Hebrews copied it from the Sumerians via numerous intermediary sources.
The proof of the accuracy of Sumerian Cosmogony rests with Earth-Moon System, and the problem of the conservation of angular momentum.
As Cray's Super II and Big Red Super-Computers (which perform billions of calculations per second) have proven, there are no possible set of circumstances under which the Earth could have captured the Moon.
Likewise there are no possible set of circumstances that would allow for the formation of the Moon by the "Pinch" Theory or the Ejecta Theory.
There Earth and Moon could not have coalesced or formed together, except under one possible condition...
...an increase in the mass of the Earth by 30%-40%.
Which proves the accuracy of Sumerian Cosmogony.
Earth is formed in what is now the Asteroid Belt. Moon forms with Earth. A moon from a Rogue Planet collides with Earth. As a result of the collision, the Earth loses 30%-40% of its mass. The debris from the moon of the Rogue Planet, and the debris from Earth form what is now the Asteroid Belt. The force of the collision shunts Earth-Moon to its present orbit between Venus and Mars.
In addition to the Asteroid Belt as proof, and Big Red's proof of a larger Earth needed for the Moon to form, we have our own Solar System as proof.
I will attempt to spell it it out for you using math.
http://cse.ssl.berkeley.edu/AtHomeAs...datasheet.html
Mercury is 35,983,610 miles from the Sun. If we double that, we get 71,967,220 miles.
Where is Venus? Venus is 67,232,360 miles from the Sun. What is the percent difference from True Geometric Progression?
71,967,220
67,232,360
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4,734,860 difference in miles
4,734,860 / 71,967,220 = 6.58% deviation from True Geometric Progression.
Where is Mars? Mars is 141,635,300 miles from the Sun. True Geometric Progression says Mars should be 134,464,720 miles from the Sun.
141,635,300
134,464,720
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7,170,580 difference in miles
7,170,580 / 134,464,720 = 5.33% deviation from True Geometric Progression
Where is Asteroid Belt? Asteroid Belt is 260,276,259 miles from Sun. The True Geometric Progress indicates it should be 268,929,440 miles.
268,929,440
260,276,259
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8,653,181 difference in miles
8,653,181 / 268,929,440 = 3.21% deviation from True Geometric Progression
Jupiter is 483,632,000 miles from the Sun. True Geometric Progression says Jupiter should be 520,552,518 miles from Sun.
520,552,518
483,632,000
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36,920,518 difference in miles
36,920,518 / 520,552,518 = 7.09% deviation from True Geometric Progression
Saturn is 888,188,000 miles distant and TGP says it ought to be 967,264,000 miles from the Sun
967,264,000
888,188,000
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79,076,000 difference
79,076,000 / 967,264,000 = 8.17%deviation from True Geometric Progression.
As anyone with any common sense can clearly see, the Planets orbit at a distance from the Sun that is in a Geometric Progression and that the distances deviate by only small percentages within tolerance.
Where does Earth fit in?
Earth does not fit the pattern in its present orbit. As they say on Sesame Street:
One of these things is not like the others....
So you're telling me things I've already known for a very, very long time.
One day, NASA will do something out of the ordinary and hire someone with an IQ greater than 50.
That someone will run a mission that parks a satellite probe in the Asteroid Belt.
That satellite probe will catalog all of the asteroids in the Asteroid Belt. Using lasers, radar, infrared imaging, thermal imaging and spectrometry, the probe will analyze every asteroid that passes by and tell us its mass, density, velocity, axial rotation and make up of chemicals, minerals and ores.
And what they will find is that some asteroids have a clockwise axial rotation, while others have a counter-clockwise axial rotation, indicating that the Asteroid Belt consists of debris from two distinct celestial bodies, and the chemical, mineral and ore analysis will show that one of those celestial bodies was/is Earth.
Cosmologically...
Mircea
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