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Nice illustration. It is important to keep that snowglobe - world in mind when reading OT script, because that fits perfectly the images which appear in OT text and which have to be pretty freely interpreted to make them look as though they are describing a globe floating in space rather than a flat disc with a canopy over it. With God's throne outside on the summit.
I might point out that the fountains of the deep are located in the mountains circling the earth - disk. The sluice- gates are opened and the Flood surges in. When you need to get rid of it, the winds blow (genesis 8.1) and push the waters back behind the sluice- gates (a reading of the Sumerian Flood will explain the mechanism clearly) which are then closed. The less said about the rain that fell and which has to got to go somewhere the better.
Tha incidentally explains a painting of a fiery ellipse projecting a beam, sometimes used to prove renaissance UFO sightings. This is surely the old religious idea of God on his aerial throne sending down grace or revelation or authority in the form of a tractor -beam.
I highly doubt that the author of the book of Job (who is anonymous) was ahead of his time in being aware of the notion that the earth was orbiting in space. He shared the common view of the ancients of his time, and which can be found in many other places in the book. For every verse that "appears" scientific, you can find many, many more verses that are extremely non-scientific and quite contrary to the particular verse being quoted (such as the "earth" being founded upon four pillars, etc). Quoting a verse here and there ignores the overall context that the author of Job was working from.
The translation you're using would be better suited if it "north" was rendered as "Zaphon" (what it actually says), which is a holy mountain well-known from the West Semitic background of the Israelites.
There is a lot said in the bible but this one does seem clear that they somehow realized that the earth in floating in space. And when you consider a lot of other passages that have scientific references than this becomes one of many. Even Genesis stated from the earth we were created. And we all know now, thousands of years later in our scientific age, that we are made of all the elements of the earth and universe. Seems very clear.
Ehh no. The Bible doesn't say the Earth is a sphere, it says it is a circle.
The early Hebrews' conception of the world was that it was a flat disc under the firmament of Heaven:
Science has consistently REFUTED the Bible and its god time and time again. As does history and archaeology.
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Nice illustration. It is important to keep that snowglobe - world in mind when reading OT script, because that fits perfectly the images which appear in OT text and which have to be pretty freely interpreted to make them look as though they are describing a globe floating in space rather than a flat disc with a canopy over it. With God's throne outside on the summit.
I might point out that the fountains of the deep are located in the mountains circling the earth - disk. The sluice- gates are opened and the Flood surges in. When you need to get rid of it, the winds blow (genesis 8.1) and push the waters back behind the sluice- gates (a reading of the Sumerian Flood will explain the mechanism clearly) which are then closed. The less said about the rain that fell and which has to got to go somewhere the better.
Tha incidentally explains a painting of a fiery ellipse projecting a beam, sometimes used to prove renaissance UFO sightings. This is surely the old religious idea of God on his aerial throne sending down grace or revelation or authority in the form of a tractor -beam.
I would only add that the Biblical Flood Story has two documentary sources that have been woven together, and each source (J and P) give different explanations as to where the waters of the Flood came from. The difference between opinion can be traced back to their respective Creation Accounts (P = Genesis 1-2:4a; J= 2:4b-3) and what is said about the waters there.
Basically, the illustration of Quixotic Hobbit comes from P's Creation Account and that is why in the Flood Story the waters come from both above and below. In the J section of the Flood Story, it simply comes from above - it rains.
With that said, however - there remains room for questions about how exactly J (the Yahwist) envisioned the world. In Genesis 2, for example, he seems to mirror the West Semitic idea (found in other "Canaanite" literature) that God resided on his holy mountain, and all the waters of the earth flowed from that mountain.
At the time of YHWH, God's making of earth and heaven,
no bush of the field was yet on earth,
no plant of the field had yet sprung up,
for YHWH, God, had not made it rain upon earth,
and there was no human/adam to till the soil/adamah -
but a surge would well up from the ground and water all the face of the soil;
(Genesis 2:4b-6, SB)
It then describes the brief creation of a human, the planting of a garden, and an extensive description concerning the river that emerges from Eden to water the Garden (the garden is planted in Eden - Eden is not the garden), which splits into four rivers. This type of imagery (subterranean waters, the four rivers emanating from a main source, no rain) is very evocative of other "Canaanite" ideas.
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
So just another "translation" that has conveniently inserted "globe" instead of circle.. after the fact
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Oh come off it dude! Do you think we are so easily deceived? In the 16th century, when that translation was published, it was generally known that the Earth was a globe/sphere and not a circle. The publishers simply inserted the word 'sphere' where it had originally said 'circle'.
Is there no limit to the depth of deception that you fundies will stoop in your attempts to prove that your Bible is infallible??
( the follow questions are aimed to the op really sorry for the later correction........thanks for your patience )
I wonder if you have any historical evidence of the Bible's date publication, in your initial post you write it should be 2000 or 3000 years ago, I remember you, and this is a historical fact, that the Emperor Constantine who copied the monotheistic idea by the Israelites (the Muslims have done the same thing, as you know the first steps have been made in a Judeo-Christian context, through a slow conversion process aimed to keep the emperor union using the most simple -conversion system- become a Christian or you will die , same policy used by Muslims) does not talk about the Bible and even Jesus who calls himself the son of God like everyone else but not a god, does not talk about it. Satan in Hebrew should be the bearer of light that is the one who sought to bring out the truth in public processes-trials-, a kind of public prosecution where he questioned the parties and trying to figure out where was the reason, borrowed ( l mean satan maybe he did scare the guilty ppl ) and demonized by the church.
Can you tell me why or how the bible is ended up in the hands of the church?
I'm not trying to convince you, think we can talk about these things without bickering, feel free to believe in everything you need the true faith is in you
do not turn the other cheek if they hit or kick you
do not give money to delete your sins or for prayers
do not to commit terrorist acts to cause harm to other people in the name of a god that no one has ever seen
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Oh come off it dude! Do you think we are so easily deceived? In the 16th century, when that translation was published, it was generally known that the Earth was a globe/sphere and not a circle. The publishers simply inserted the word 'sphere' where it had originally said 'circle'.
Is there no limit to the depth of deception that you fundies will stoop in your attempts to prove that your Bible is infallible??
Indeed. I have pointed this out before but I doubt that it will the last time the original Hebrew is chuwg Pronunciation khüg (1) circle, circuit, compass
2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens) Strong's concordances, Blue letter Bible.
If a sphere or globe was meant rather than a flat circle, the hebrew word is 'dwr'
Ozzy, if I, as a professional scientist, were to have or take the time to waste disproving you, it would be so easy. To say you have selectively posted things here just to make a silly point is an understatement. I will tell you however, that what you call "science" back then did not even begin to utilize the now established SM (Scientific Method).
Rather, it was most often religious zealots posing as The Chosen Informed, who could, and did, say whatever they wanted. For example, comparing to today's knowledge-based and peer-reviewed science process:
√ Alchemy is not chemistry but rather a prolonged effort to find ways to turn things into gold.
√ Astronomy was in fact Astrology. No comparo, mon ami!.
√ Biology was non-existant. It was comprised of cutting open lambs and the like, chicken guts sprawled on the table, with incantations of what the layout of their guts meant to the humbled but hugely illiterate peons who the church relied on for the local "heavy lifting" driven entirely by fear, not by a living wage! (This is also known as "edifice construction" so as to provide the power-mongering, fear proselytizing religious types a spectacular living!! See the cathedral of Notre Dame!)
I could of course cite every form of modern science compared to it's silly bronze-age counterparts, but you get the point.
FACT: You err by an enormous yawning gap in making the claim that science then was wrong. In truth, it wasn't science per se at all, and cannot be compared to what we postulate and discover now. Your idea that science makes the same sort of illiterate errors now is, frankly hugely insulting to us professional career scientists.
It'd be like me calling all Christians unrepentant pedophillic porn-watching and socially outcast misfits (Hmmm....) And to top it all off, you know that your OP position is so very wring, but still prefer to misguide and mis-quote! You must truly be frightened of the eventual non-Salvation Death, huh? Enough to openly lie for it....
Good on yah, matey. Another sinning Christian!
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the original Hebrew is chuwg Pronunciation khüg (1) circle, circuit, compass
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