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Who killed Christ. I read somewhere that it was the Pharisees that put together the OT. They invented Moses and made the laws that says anyone who walks the streets teaching of God in any other way is to be killed outright, and all other religions and philosophies are all evil. That puts a target on any holy person from anywhere in the world, and ESPECIALLY if you are a Jew. Any Jew who teaches of a God in Heaven that differs from the God in the OT in ANY way is to be put to death. That was the law they created, and that is the law Jesus fulfilled by dying from it.
Last edited by Rider's Pantheon; 07-01-2013 at 09:39 PM..
I may have to change my mind (I can't now change my vote) to 'Nobody' as the thread asks who killed Jesus Christ? Nobody did, as Christ never existed. That divine and miraculous being was invented by the Christians who wrote the Gospels.
Jesus the historical Jew, if he existed, was, as I voted killed by the Romans for the reason given in the gospels - sedition and rebellion as a messianic pretender to the Jewish throne, and not for that riduculous 'blasphemy' claim which would only have been blasphemy if the Chief priest, Sadducees or Sanhedrin as a whole (take you pick -the gospels differ here) had seen the claim to be a messiah in the Christian way.
That is why the Gospel - writers had to go overboard and get Jesus to spout that stuff about the Chief priest and his cronies seeing Jesus coming on the clouds in their lifetime (indeed Matthew says 'from now on' - whatever that means). But even that would not be blasphemy - the messiah would only be doing what Isaiah (and arguably even the sinful king David) had done - gone up to heaven and the Isiaih story has never had a hint of blasphemy about it. It only makes sense if this implies that Jesus is claiming to be pretty much a god himself and that is evidence that it was Christians, not Jews, who wrote the gospels and though in Christian, not Jewish, terms when they spoke of the Son of God and messiah.
Thus, this trumped up blasphemy charge is nonsense and indeed the charge actually levelled at Jesus for Pilate's benefit is sedition. Now, Pilate knew very well what Jesus had done at the temple and that was all the evidence he needed to find him guilty. He probably used his own soldiers (as John indeed hints) to arrest Jesus and, if the High priest (we can probably forget the other sadducees, and forget an assembly of the whole Sanhedrin) had been involved in a preliminary interrogation of the arrested trouble-maker, it was as an appointed part of the Roman provincial administration, and not as Jewish leadership, forget being representative of Judaism and all their descendants.
It only remains to say that the nonsensical hand -washing and handing it over to the Jewish leaders to carry out the crucifixion (the writers forget this and have them beetling back to Pilate to moan about his inscription, whine about leaving the bodies up overnight and beg for a guard to be posted) is all part of trying to get Rome off the hook because the Roman Christian gospel - writers could not bear it that Romans had killed the founder of their religion.
King of the Jews- King of the Judeans...Some knew he was of Royal lineage --The Romans did not want an old displaced King wandering about undermining their authority...and those other interlopers - "Those who say they are Jews (Judeans) but are not by are of the gathering of Satan their father the liar" to para phrase...So who were these detractors who were not native to Judea who wanted to get rid of Christ? Perhaps they knew that Christ by tradition was the official symbol through genetic inheritance OWNED the royal lands and it was in part a real estate grab?
I see it as no different from the other messianic efforts, the Census revolt the Maccabean revolt and indeed John the baptist's 'repentance' movement, plus the Jewish war, in fact. And the return to Jerusalem to set up a Jewish state. Their own land, run by Jews who lived according to God's laws and not by the Goyyim, Greek, Roman or Arab.
If there was a Real Jesus, that was what his messianic mission was about and the roman knew that well enough. All that cobblers about a Blasphemy charge (which was nonsense in Jewish terms - claiming to be a messiah was not blasphemy) is just to cover up what the gospels make pretty clear - Jesus was executed as a seditious rebel making yet another messianic attempt to establish a royal line.
I see it as no different from the other messianic efforts, the Census revolt the Maccabean revolt and indeed John the baptist's 'repentance' movement, plus the Jewish war, in fact. And the return to Jerusalem to set up a Jewish state. Their own land, run by Jews who lived according to God's laws and not by the Goyyim, Greek, Roman or Arab.
If there was a Real Jesus, that was what his messianic mission was about and the roman knew that well enough. All that cobblers about a Blasphemy charge (which was nonsense in Jewish terms - claiming to be a messiah was not blasphemy) is just to cover up what the gospels make pretty clear - Jesus was executed as a seditious rebel making yet another messianic attempt to establish a royal line.
As a Jew you were not allowed to walk the streets and preach of God in any way that conflicted with Moses's word, which Jesus did. He also was not allowed to work, or heal, on the Sabbath, according to the OT, and Jesus did. The OT makes it a capitol crime for any Jew to simply exist. If you study the OT, you'd find they are all sinners who deserve to die, and the only way to pay for sin is death. Same with all other people of all other religions, as well as homosexuals.... absolutely EVERYBODY is worthy of execution in God's name, according to Moses. It sanctions all kinds of atrocities in the name of "God", and there are a LOT of victims of Moses, not just the Jesus of the NT. Pretty much everybody who is in contact with the OT has been victimized by it in one way or another. It is evil. People are being terrorized today because of the Bible./ Islam is a direct result of the Bible. The Bible empowers it and helps it to gain footing, as the OT sanctions every single evil there is in the Koran and Hadiths. Pretty much All of the Holy wars being waged in the world today is derived because of the Pharisees and their crazy book.
Last edited by Rider's Pantheon; 07-04-2013 at 01:34 PM..
I can only repeat that I do not believe for a moment the story we read in the NT. It is written to make it seems that Jesus was replacing the jewish Mosaic Laws and observances with faith in himself. The way to the Father was through him, not through the Jewish Laws. The Gospels are written from a Christian point of view and Jesus is made to talk and act like a Christian, and a very anti - Jewish Christian, too.
Oh hell, sorry, that was the radio star, not Jesus. Carry on.
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