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Apples and chainsaws comparisons...Since I belong to a bowling league, and follow the rules of bowling, and attend meetings, then I guess bowling must be a religion, right? This whole thread is nothing but a dip into the insanity and ignorance of the devout...Atheism is a NON religion..Why do you religious want it classify it as a religion when logic and common sense say the opposite? I will not be brought down to your level of mindlessly following the edicts of some mythical character.
Atheism is a religion. They practice hating religion. They have meetings. They want someone special to preform their marriages. It's a religion.
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He is right. Atheism is a religion.
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Originally Posted by dub dub II I
This is like basic reasoning...
Atheism is a religion in just the same way not blue is blue.
A/Not-Theism.
A/Not-blue.
If you assent to not blue being a form of blue, then I'd assent to atheism being a form of theism.
Here, special just for you and your faulty logic....
How is atheism not a "statement of ideas or opinion"?
Atheism is a statement of facts.
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You just proved my point. Your "set of beliefs" is that there is nothing to believe in; no afterlife, no God(s), and that believing in such things is pointless and rational.
I've used the dictionary to prove my point many times. It's not overlooked nor underrated.
Yes, atheism is a religion.
Looks like you all understand Logic just enough to get everything wrong.
All religions have a cosmogony. Atheism has none, and neither does Buddhism. But more than that, the cosmogony cannot in anyway be natural for theists....there has to be a supernatural force that is responsible for some part, if not 100% of the cosmogony.
In addition to a cosmogony, all religions have one or more deities, and more than that, the god(s) interact with humanity on some level, whether through "visions" or through "prayer." Atheism and Buddhism have no deities and there is no interaction with supernatural beings.
With the above, religions have rituals, whether described in a text or not, and also laws relating to the religion. Atheism and Buddhism have no rituals, except it may be possible to argue that the Buddhist practice of meditation is ritualistic -- though not a true ritual. It would also be correct to say that Buddhist priests engage in certain rituals, but not Buddhists themselves (other than meditation).
And all religions have a text --usually referred to as a "bible" -- , which is was written by the god(s), or at the behest of the god(s) or under their influence. Atheism and Buddhism have no such texts.
Again with all of the above, religions have an hierarchy and an hierarchical structure. Atheism has neither an hierarchy, nor an hierarchical structure. Buddhism does have a limited hierarchical structure, but only within the ranks of Buddhists "priests."
On top of that, religions have distinctions based on various classes -- these may be castes; the "saved" and "unsaved"; men and women; slaves and slave owners; slaves and free-men; those who may approach a temple or holy site/place (Jesus vomits at the sight of disabled or deformed people and midgets and won't allow them in church) and other such distinctions. Atheism makes no such distinctions. The only distinction in Buddhism is between priests and all other peoples. Note that Buddhist priests don't care if one is a Buddhist or not -- they treat all people equally -- and note that Buddhist priests are subservient and deferential to people, unlike christianity and other religions where the people must display deference to religious officials.
So if I walk past a Buddhist monk and ignore him, he isn't offended, but if I were to walk past the pope without kneeling and kissing his ring, I'd be excommunicated and condemned to hell.
Religions have a cast of supernatural beings often referred to as devils, demons, or other malevolent spirits which cause people to act irrationally and which bring suffering on people -- in addition to the suffering their own deity brings. These beings are often themselves in some hierarchical structure. Atheism and Buddhism have no such silly beliefs -- people act irrationally because they do -- and in the case of suffering, both Atheism and Buddhism see that people are their own worst enemy and the cause of their own suffering.
Finally, religions compel people to worship and adore the god(s) or suffer eternal punishment of some sort in an after-life. Atheism and Buddhism do not compel people to worship or adore anything, and there's no punishment and no after-life -- although some Atheists and Buddhists do believe in an after-life.
Logically...
Mircea
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Buddhism has no deity.
That's because Buddhism is not a religion.
You know in many cities/counties the police use Code 5150 to describe someone with a mental disorder.
If you could go back in time to the beginning, you'd find that Judaism is the invention of a bona fide schizophrenic that was co-opted by people suffering from Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. Seriously. Read the torah -- the laws. Whoever wrote them was obsessed with cleanliness. And obsessed with rituals and how priests should dress.
Realistically...
Mircea
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Atheism is a religion.
If it were not, then the U.S. Govt could legally make a law forbidding people from being atheists, despite the wording of the 1st amendment.
That's an incredibly bizarre interpretation....that is wrong. Atheism is a matter of Free Speech, as well as Freedom of the Press and Freedom to Peaceably Assemble.
Constitutionally...
May give more sides that the one Goldenrule is applauding.
Buddhism is a religion because it believes as a fact in a Higher power for which there is no sound evidence. Atheism doesn't.
Atheism does not believe in anything like a higher power. It is not a religion. Strictly speaking, it is not even a philosophy. It is merely the state of not having a belief in any gods - and semantic dickering about what is or is not a god would merely make the dickerer look to be a crafty dissembler.
It is not a belief system. The only belief system that applies is that of scientific evidence and sound reasoning. That is available to all -atheists or not. Some atheists may not even apply that but disbelieve because that is how they were brought up, or because what they can't see they don't believe is there. But the logical or rational basis of atheism qua atheism itself is the evidential and logical position that god -claims do not stand up to credibility.
Atheists may - they generally do -apply the same reasoning to other matters. To the supernatural, politics, society, history. But unless that relates to matters of God -belief, they do not do it as atheists. There is no atheist dogma that requires an atheist to reject or believe anything.
Atheism is not a religion and anyone who claims that it is, does not understand what atheism is or is not. Such a person should listen to atheists and not dictate to them.
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Atheism is one, let me say that again, one who is without a belief(did you read that? without a belief) in a god or gods. What is it with those who claim atheism as a religion find troubling about the words....without a belief? Religion=a belief....Atheism=without a belief....got it? Good
Atheism is a religion. They practice hating religion. They have meetings. They want someone special to preform their marriages. It's a religion.
To start off: what utter bull-crap. "They practice hating religion." Really? All atheists? You know this how? Because of what you read here from a specific cohort of militant and somewhat combative atheists like me? That thereby defines all atheists? Well then I guess you're a Fred Phelpsian Christian, huh? By absolute decree. Good to know.
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A few do. Most don't. It is not a part of their religion (atheism) any more than Fred Phelps' "God hates ****" is a part of Christianity.
Religion is not a belief in God. It is a belief in the existence of God.
Atheism is a religion.
What universal beliefs do we all follow again? The existence of ... uhhhmmm... what again? An empty universe? Or are there literally tens of millions of clear-minded self-sufficient & psychologically stable people who do not NEED a fairy-tale promise of salvation in an imagined afterlife, and thus perform rote-chanting and biblical parroting to ensure themselves of such an outcome? You know: a "Religion" per se.
You guys' use of logic and common sense is particularly egregious. Definitely low-brow stuff by any standards. And yet, you are particularly proud on it! Amazing! (Or, you are all working together in a silly little conspiracy of chuckle-heads living in your mother's basements, unemployed at the age of 45 - 55, never to work productively ever again, and you think yourselves to be so v. smart to have gotten a rise out of us honest debaters. Hmmm...)
Frankly, the majority of atheists simply don't give a flying rodent's petoot, nor would they take part in any sort of high level debate on the subject precisely because there are no specific, or even vague, precepts, other than they don't happen to believe in the Abrahamic God icon. They are, nonetheless, "atheists". Per se!
Your goalpost-shuffling definition of "atheist" is obviously intended to bring atheists down to the sorry level of mud-slithering religious absolutism, and thus it falls on it's pallid face.
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Atheism is a religion. It is a belief system. God is NOT a religion - religion and atheism are the same thing- neither had anything to do with GOD. People do not understand that Christianity was never meant to be a religion but a state of mind...Man created religion and atheism. GOD had nothing to do with these two constructs.
Man did indeed create several thousand mono- and poly-theistic religions, all aimed and focused by those with a forward-thinking & very creative imagination, in order to manage and "handle" those willing but unthinking & frightened peons. Peons who nonetheless were willing to tithe, to give of their chicken and lamb flocks, or who would physically help build these iconic halls of worship (as if, God actually lives there... )...
(Jebus would be appalled, btw, at the obscene waste of energy...)
Atheism is simply the outgrowth of those who didn't buy into the Big Lie. "Sorry, I haven't got time for such silly child's fairy tales. And, I ain't goin' to be chantin' anything any time soon neither! So git away from me with yur bibles and tracts!"
Yup: quite the dedicated and inalterable religious paradigm, carved in stone or a stupid old book, and with all them dire built-in dis-obedience consequences! Fires of Hell and Damnation! Holy ostracization by your community, OMG!
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maybe we can sue to have enviromentalism to be declared a religion too.
Not necessarily a need yet, MW; there's already a pretty good uneducated tree-hugger cult and they tend to stand around and chant in unison: "Down with Big Biz [aká logging, oil, mining, oil drilling, agri-biz, and so on...)!" They strap themselves to trees or barricade roads, and so on. A set of agreed-on operational rules and desperate last-ditch methods. But often not backed in real statistically based and reproducible scientific processing.
You've seen atheists doing this sort of thing, in general and frequently, where again? When did you see CNN covering such "org-religious" efforts on the part of us thoroughly dis-interested atheists?
Meantime, I've seen, most every month, just exactly that on the part of the religious, all of the participants chanting in unison (with one hive mind, I always think...), shouting down the local liberal school board, trying to "insert" (and feel free to imagine this in a most pornographic way...) their zany anti-evolution curriculum that places discredited God-Think on the same level as pure science... Ho-hum!
Remember: why would a particular group, atheists, spend time ranting on about... what is it again? NOTHING?
Well yeah; VERY religious!
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If you would analyze the issue on your own (you know - think for yourself) you would realize that atheism is a religion.
It's the inevitable consequence of critical and thorough thinking, but some, as they start to see the light and enlightenment, will then "bolt" and run on back to momma, so to speak. You know, where it's nice and warm and secure?
Oleg, with your kind approval, I'm going to edit for brevity your excellent long post (And I thought it was only me who was overly pedantic and wordy!) My specific comments are inserted and in blue. {I even pre-warmed the Vaseline™!}
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The "evidence changing" ? You have that right- what is fact today is proven non-factual tomorrow. Science is great..the study and dissection of the natural world and the constant on going understanding of physics. If you believe that the endless universe and the power of eternity does not contain a consciousness and intelligence then that is what you believe- in other words there is no God...but a mindless nothingness in these regards. That is what an atheist believes.
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(Well, again, some of us yes, esp. if we have any post-teen-aged education that incorporates any of the following: logic, philosophy, mathematics, statistics, engineering, biology, chemistry, bio-chemistry & genetics, geology, astronomy, combos of those (as with my own wide-based education), and/or any level of subsequent professional careers where logical decisions are part and parcel of getting it right, even if it's possibly disruptive to the staid hive-mind.
Most folks, (esp. once they leave high school or earlier) make up the typical Christian church type. They have literally no experience nor interest in disturbing their own socio-cultural community status-quo, or in letting in the light, or in accepting unexpected results.
But there are also literally tens of millions of non-scientifically trained atheists. They were just not raised with "The Great Club of Obedient Christian Behavior" waved menacingly over their heads! Some folks, not a lot I'll agree, do have a sense of independent free thinking, and are also intelligent enough to add in some critical thinking skills. Sadly, many do not have any such facilities.
Science is on-going learning without end..There is no final answer. Once you get to what appears is a final answer - there is always another question science has to approach and so on and so on.
So it gets down to an intellectual suggestion and speculation..some speculate that there is or might be an eternal intelligence. The atheist and the God believer are similar in this aspect. Both are like a person flipping a coin...one will say yes to the idea of God the other will say no..both are in human terms relevant.
The only problem I have with the science driven atheist is that the final decision is based in emotion and resentful spite.
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COLOR="Blue"](Hmmm... "science-driven atheists" and "based in emotion and resentful spite" all in the same sentence? Surely you jest sir! Two ideas in direct opposition: emotionalism and science. You really did miss that lecture series, didn't you?
Just soz you understand, Oleg, the reason some of us become hostile, demonstrative and combative right here on C-D is that we are so often insulted by just such illogical definers. Realizing that the majority of our population are not scientists nor objectively logical, and that there are still literally tens of millions of atheists, we can conclude, can we not, that the majority of atheists are not trained in any of those logic and observational disciplines. Nope: they are just thoughtful people who do not buy into the Big Lie!
But after trying, as I have for well over 3 years on C-D, to engage theists in honest intellectual discussion, where they have proven, with an near-absolute 99% majority, their well-learned and total inability to ever answer a few simple Yes/No questions.
But rather they always revert and deflect to: insulting ad hominems; to complete topic shifts, or to revisionist redefinitions or absolutist claims, all intended to inflame things rather than show some level of mature tolerance and understanding, coupled with an interest in learning anything new!
Otherwise, we'd be quite spite-free. We'd also have nothing to argue about, since you guys would have "manned up" and accepted the obvious truths here. But the majority of us are, yup, pretty tired of the monotone-pro-theistic and mono-logical responses here and on several other Atheism v. Religious Philosophy websites. You guys, rather than us, are the established and intransigently inalterable debating norms.
But... let's continue, in case you come up with some gem of wisdom and acceptance, OK?[/color]
This spite is not generated by God but by the failings and inconsistency of religion and science for that matter. You must approach the idea of God from an intellectual emotionless point of view..atheist are emotional about the idea of God- exactly like believers.
If there defective religion and science did not exist..and mankind were to observe eternity and the miracle of existence in nature or creation...Most from the point of logic would assume there is a God.
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Nope. That's just an argument from the "Ignorance and Being AweStruck" book of fantasies! A totally invalid argument, frankly, one that is best kept with the original aboriginals and th invasive Catholic Priests who worked their way west ("Manifest Destiny, by God!") and pointed to lightning and prairie fires as sure signs of a vengeful and demanding God.
Now, if that's the intellectual cohort you choose to join in and celebrate with, be my guest. Just don't then claim it's the absolute truth.
Religious people and science driven atheists all expect some sort of miracle as proof...some spectacular event that gives proof of something. It is really quite bizarre that atheists and religious people do not understand that they are emerged in the miracle and all the proof exist all around you. Looking at all the life forms on earth - it is utterly a spectacular miracle. Then look out beyond the earth into eternity..It is also awesome beyond belief.
Blind faith as seen by the atheist is a delusion...and I agree. Some faith is not blind and some that believe in God see the proof and the belief is fueled by human intellect and logic.
Tradition whether it be scientific or religious is institutional thought. It creates a belief system that is static and at a stand still...as time goes on religious and scientific belief are left in the dust...Intelligent thought is on going for eternity - It is called learning.
I have said this before..atheists search for reality and truth..If Christ were alive today he would have more respect for the truth seeking atheist than the blindly religious traditional zealot.
Atheists are not evil people...They are actually a more pure state of mind than most so-called Christians. Some if not most institutional Christians are not interested in the truth and are afraid of it. The old testament types who say the earth and existence of the universe is only 6 thousand years old are foolish...There is not time and time is not measured by God.
Religion is static traditionalism. Tradition creates a comfort zone for humans. It is comforting to have all the answers. The fact is believing in God is very uncomfortable...it is daring..Science is also governed by this fear- the fear of not knowing and not having all the answers.
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I know of no scientists, in any of the disciplines I listed above, who hold to such a fear-based paradigm. Rather, we scientists are entertained and deeply influenced by the shear joy & enjoyment of bringing up a good question, and then designing an excellent and unambiguous research design that will possibly answer the new question(s). Fear of not knowing? You think that's why we went to the moon? Or designed a Mars Rover? To calm our fears?
Never heard of it. I am a well-educated scientist with many years out in the professional world, making my income by trying to provide logical, reproducible answers. Never have I ever heard such a tall tale, one of unreserved Convenience. Just not so. Delete that one from your little book of bad arguments. I will accept that you did try to develop it well, but you just made some really bad logical turns along the way! Ergo Thuddo-Crasho!
No one will ever have the final answer.....it is our duty as thinking creatures to know this and to plod on to the bitter end- and end that will never come...In the meantime conflict between religion and science will always exist. Frankly I don't care to involve myself in this debate without resolution.
How is atheism not a "statement of ideas or opinion"?
It way well be a loosely arranged collection of some similar ideas, or none at all, but the opinions are not in any wayshared, established, written down, chanted, or authorized by some administrative body, etc. etc. Not a single tinge of religion about it! Except in the accepted lack of need for a well-defined historical but surely imaginary figure.
That covers a lot of different things that are certainly not philosophical nor spiritual, like within Christianity! All not only written down and mandated within each sect/cult, but also intransigently immovable. Hardly valid descriptors for atheism, now are they, ddII?
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Unfortunately, there are several posters in this forum that like to redefine words.
(It is very difficult to communicate when some of the participants use different meanings (from the standards) for some of the words.)
Yep. Goalpost shifters, they be! "Re-definitions to Suite!". They do it as regards "Evolution, the timing of Creation (apparently GOd ran out of stamina or good ideas, and had to add in a few million extra years, but only for that one event, after He'd hand-wavingly created an entire completed and perfect Universe (another big lie...) ...), and the Genesis fairy rale. As newer information shreds old ideas, why they just redefine them for a convenient outcome. Quite the compelling arguments, huh mensaguy?
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If yer gonna use the dictionary as a proof text.
Proof there is a God:
God: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
Why, one might well ask? Do they see organized religion as inherently flim-flam, and they want to bring us down to that silly level? Must be the case. Pigs love to be in the same mud sas their kin.. 'Ceptin' we ain't kin. We'ze a different species from Unthinking Man (homo incredulous vs. "h. intellectulous"
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I've always been amused by those who feel compelled to drag atheism down to the level of theism. The implications are very obvious in that the theists who try to characterize a-theism as a religion see something inherently WRONG with religion. It is just a bizarre form of a Tu Quoque fallacy, that's all.
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Buddhism has no deity.
Exactly. Using Buddhism, as someone did above here, is a very bad argument since Buddhism is NOT a religion per se. It's a worldview based on, among other things, the very unChristian idea that the so-called "lesser animals" (a unique form of utter Christian arrogance...) are our equals. Quite the egalitarian outlook, huh?
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Atheists postulate as incontrovertibly true - the idea that God does not exist.
That is dogma.
No dogma involved! We have pretty good evidence (or lack thereof..) of any reproducible or documented supernatural acts, and the idea of say Noah's Ark and an 18 mo. long global inundating fludd that went otherwise unnoticed by contemporaneous civilizations, is preposterous and so easily debunked that to pursue it as the inerrant truth?
What a hoax/scam and outright proof of silly thinking! We simply don't automatically believe (as the majority of Christians do, no matter what the compelling & overwhelming evidence shows them...) in invisible, never visiting, illogical & evidence-free ghostly entities, esp. a fairy-tale white-haired guy, sitting on a cloud and reaching out to David. That's just plain old-fashioned, don't you agree, Harrier? If you do literally agree with that highly imaginative but speculative iconism, then more power to you. Just know that....
You're living in the mid 16th century as far as a credible religious belief. But if you are rational, then you should allow that functioning modern science has repeatedly debunked almost all of the traditional supernatural silliness. And that, to confirm those tests, the SM provides all the necessary methods and materials to re-do the studies yourself.
Oddly, Christians, even the so-called self-appointed Christian-Science Universities, NEVER re-do any of the studies that put standard religion away. I wonder why that is. Any ideas, Harrier?
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Bull crap....Not believing something is NOT a set of beliefs...What is the matter with you?
So eloquently said, and in so few words! I'm jealous!
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Apples and chainsaws comparisons...
√ Since I belong to a bowling league, and follow the rules of bowling, and attend meetings, then I guess bowling must be a religion, right?
√ This whole thread is nothing but a dip into the insanity and ignorance of the devout...
√ Atheism is a NON religion..
Why do you religious want it classify it as a religion when logic and common sense say the opposite? I will not be brought down to your level of mindlessly following the edicts of some mythical character.
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Herr Josef Göbbels repeated a lot of lies, too.
Atheism is a statement of facts.
Looks like you all understand Logic just enough to get everything wrong.
All religions have a cosmogony. Atheism has none, and neither does Buddhism. But more than that, the cosmogony cannot in anyway be natural for theists....there has to be a supernatural force that is responsible for some part, if not 100% of the cosmogony.
In addition to a cosmogony, all religions have one or more deities, and more than that, the god(s) interact with humanity on some level, whether through "visions" or through "prayer." Atheism and Buddhism have no deities and there is no interaction with supernatural beings.
With the above, religions have rituals, whether described in a text or not, and also laws relating to the religion. Atheism and Buddhism have no rituals, except it may be possible to argue that the Buddhist practice of meditation is ritualistic -- though not a true ritual. It would also be correct to say that Buddhist priests engage in certain rituals, but not Buddhists themselves (other than meditation).
And all religions have a text --usually referred to as a "bible" -- , which is was written by the god(s), or at the behest of the god(s) or under their influence. Atheism and Buddhism have no such texts.
Again with all of the above, religions have an hierarchy and an hierarchical structure. Atheism has neither an hierarchy, nor an hierarchical structure. Buddhism does have a limited hierarchical structure, but only within the ranks of Buddhists "priests."
On top of that, religions have distinctions based on various classes -- these may be castes; the "saved" and "unsaved"; men and women; slaves and slave owners; slaves and free-men; those who may approach a temple or holy site/place (Jesus vomits at the sight of disabled or deformed people and midgets and won't allow them in church) and other such distinctions. Atheism makes no such distinctions. The only distinction in Buddhism is between priests and all other peoples. Note that Buddhist priests don't care if one is a Buddhist or not -- they treat all people equally -- and note that Buddhist priests are subservient and deferential to people, unlike christianity and other religions where the people must display deference to religious officials.
So if I walk past a Buddhist monk and ignore him, he isn't offended, but if I were to walk past the pope without kneeling and kissing his ring, I'd be excommunicated and condemned to hell.
Religions have a cast of supernatural beings often referred to as devils, demons, or other malevolent spirits which cause people to act irrationally and which bring suffering on people -- in addition to the suffering their own deity brings. These beings are often themselves in some hierarchical structure. Atheism and Buddhism have no such silly beliefs -- people act irrationally because they do -- and in the case of suffering, both Atheism and Buddhism see that people are their own worst enemy and the cause of their own suffering.
Finally, religions compel people to worship and adore the god(s) or suffer eternal punishment of some sort in an after-life. Atheism and Buddhism do not compel people to worship or adore anything, and there's no punishment and no after-life -- although some Atheists and Buddhists do believe in an after-life.
Mircea
Well said as always, Mircea. Far too obvious and logical however: it will thereby be immediately totally ignored, since they have already made their unitary hive mind up, and one of the basic tenets of chant & parrotorg-rel Christianity is "No Independent Thinking Allowed!"
Atheism is not a religion and anyone who claims that it is, does not understand what atheism is or is not. Such a person should listen to atheists and not dictate to them.
Arequipa, I guess threads like this one and Evolution is ONLY a Theory will go on forever. I think that even if we drilled holes in the heads of stubborn theists and piped the proper information in, they would still cling to the same old ignorance. Of course atheism is NOT a religion. Absence of x is not evidence of x. Case closed, or I wish...
I remain puzzled as to why theists try to drag non-belief in god into the circle of their religious cults. I immediately think of the old saying about Misery Loving Company. When evidence. logic or facts are elusive, theists, out of necessity are forced to fall back on childish "I know what you are, but what am I" type of lame and illogical claims, I won't even call them arguments.
I guess that in their twisted logic, if the Religiously Impairedâ„¢ can equivocate atheism with a religion then somehow that validates their own failed mythologies.
If it were not, then the U.S. Govt could legally make a law forbidding people from being atheists, despite the wording of the 1st amendment.
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This is like basic reasoning...
Atheism is a religion in just the same way not blue is blue.
A/Not-Theism.
A/Not-blue.
If you assent to not blue being a form of blue, then I'd assent to atheism being a form of theism.
High schools should mandate courses in "not being stupid".
The word, however, that you're looking for is dogma. Both theism and atheism are dogmas. If that's your point....my question is, so?
Then all religious people have two religions. The one they follow and the religion of disbelief towards all the others.
Atheism is one, let me say that again, one who is without a belief(did you read that? without a belief) in a god or gods. What is it with those who claim atheism as a religion find troubling about the words....without a belief? Religion=a belief....Atheism=without a belief....got it? Good
Oh yeah, I "got it"...as it is the typical deceptive line the Atheists use...so the dreaded "religion" label can't be pinned on them.
Here is how it REALLY works:
First, look at "root" word "Theism". That means the BELIEF a God does exist. Sooooooo...Atheism (A-Theism) means the BELIEF a God doesn't exist.
They are both a BELIEF (that's how the "religion" designation can fit both)...just opposite beliefs.
So...you can nix the "Atheism=Without a belief" spin, it IS a belief...the BELIEF that there is no God(s)...and thus could be determined to be a religion.
Then all religious people have two religions. The one they follow and the religion of disbelief towards all the others.
Or, you can correctly state that they are atheists as well.
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