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It's been abundantly clear from recent threads that the huge vast majority of atheists (and to a lesser extent agnostics) and nearly all evolutionists place their trust in science over God. There is a reason for this. Can I just remind you brothers and sisters, here in America we have been teaching evolution since creationism was kicked out of public schools. We have indoctrinated our children for decades to believe in evolution at the expense of creation. Colleges and universities reinforce this and hand out poor grades to those who will not think this way.Evolutionists, atheists and the ungodly have the positions of power in the public education system and they do not like to share power!
We seem to be powerless to open the minds of the atheists who, for the most part, remain unbending in their stance against God. Is there a figure as to what percentage of evolutionists are atheists?
To kind of "sum up" my reaction to this I wrote the following:
SCIENCE vs. FAITH
Science questions everything. This is the nature of the beast. That in and of itself, is not a bad thing.
However science is unyieldingly strict and demanding. It allows no exceptions. It sees in black and white only: yes/no, up/down, in/out, left or right.
For a couple of hundred years scientists had recognized a basic law of the universe: cause and effect. There is a cause for EVERY effect: that things DO NOT JUST HAPPEN ON THEIR OWN; that they occur because something or someone CAUSES them to happen. There is no "random or chance occurrence" law. LACK OF FAITH IN GOD has caused even the most "faithful" scientist to abandon this first law! This is the power of the deception on their minds and hearts. Despite refuting the "anything but God!" reply, this is truly how they think. Without a cause the universe would not be here and thus evolution could not take place. The big bang theory being the cause of the creation of the universe has stepped aside in the last couple of years, leaving the atheist/evolutionist with no "first cause" to the beginniong or start of the universe.
Faith allows for and accepts the unexplained and unknown. Science demands logic. It will not be satisfied until the brain is satisfied. Science is a condition- a reflection of the PHYSICAL. Faith is a condition of the heart- a reflection of the SPIRITUAL...
Science says, "Prove there is a God!! Faith knows from the farthest depths of the soul that there is a God and needs no proof. It needs no statistics, formulas, theories, calculations or algorithms. It doesn't need graphs, lines, spread-sheets, or pie charts. Faith defies and overrules logic.
Science can be a prison for the mind. Faith is the key to unlocking the cell door. Faith sees creation and KNOWS that there is a God.
How?
God CREATED faith. He, Himself, has faith!! It's not a random phenomenon. It is a Godly attribute He blessed us all with. EVERYONE has faith- in someone or something. Human beings are hard-wired to have faith. YOU are hard-wired to have faith.
The atheist has faith that there is no God. Faith causes the birds to start chirping at the first light of dawn- not really knowing if the sun will continue to rise or not.
God wrote His laws in our hearts AND in our minds. (Heb. 10:16) - "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord. ‘I will put MY LAWS into their HEARTS, and in their MINDS will I write them;..."
These laws placed WITHIN US, are the FOUNDATION of human faith. To deny the existence of God is to deny what your own heart and mind tell you (or once told you when you were young). In effect, you are calling God a liar. Not only that, but you are calling yourself a liar. Has science ever proven that it's beneficial to lie to oneself?
If you are an atheists/evolutionist reading this: science has contradicted the faith that you were born with and you have now rejected it totally. Even the most backward bushman living in the most remote area on earth can look up into the clear night sky, and seeing the stars and planets instinctively KNOW there is something or someone greater than he out there.
Several years ago we had an entire bus of "mentally challenged" people come to our church service. After a basic sermon on God, man, sin and Jesus, all but 3 of them came forward at the end of service to recieve forgiveness of their sins and the free gift of eternal life. Even the mentally challenged understand the reality of God and the need for salvation.
So where does that leave you?
Make no mistake, my brothers and sisters; this is a CHOICE you make. We are all responsible for the
choices we make in life, especially this one.
Science is a snare and a trap. It seeks to enslave the atheist to its way of thinking. It lies to you and deceives you. Science, being focused on and believing only what it can see with its physical eyes and prove, tends to reject faith. Science limits. Because of its tendency to limit, it demands that everything fit precisely together. An example: a box or cube of unknow origin is found on the beach. Science says a box must have: sides, tangible
measurements: height, width, length, depth, total square inches, total cubic inches, volume etc... Once measured,scrutinized, investigated and well tested, science revels in its own proclaimed wisdom and says: "We know everything about this box!"
Science cannot see beyond itself or its own limits. It is like a runaway ego. Sadly, science cannot explain where the box came from in the first place, failing to see that God created it.
Brothers and sisters I am reminded of the "report" of the 12 spies brought back to Moses after they searched the new land which God gave to them.
Numbers 13:30-33
Amplified Bible (AMP)
30 Caleb quieted the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once and possess it; we are well able to conquer it.
31 But his fellow scouts said, We are not able to go up against the people [of Canaan], for they are stronger than we are.
32 So they brought the Israelites an evil report of the land which they had scouted out, saying, The land through which we went to spy it out is a land that devours its inhabitants. And all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature.
33 There we saw the Nephilim [or giants], the sons of Anak, who come from the giants; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
"Who's report will you believe?" Evolutionists and atheists believe the report of science, not even understanding that God created a each and every branch of science. Did He use science to create the universe? Sure! Did He use science to create life; man? Sure!
Although (if included) posting a verse within a thread plants a seed, it may be that the best way to help the atheist is to pray for their minds and hearts to be opened by God. Pray for them.
Science says, "Prove there is a God!! Faith knows from the farthest depths of the soul that there is a God and needs no proof. It needs no statistics, formulas, theories, calculations or algorithms. It doesn't need graphs, lines, spread-sheets, or pie charts. Faith defies and overrules logic.
Science can be a prison for the mind. Faith is the key to unlocking the cell door. Faith sees creation and KNOWS that there is a God.
How?
God CREATED faith. He, Himself, has faith!! It's not a random phenomenon. It is a Godly attribute He blessed us all with. EVERYONE has faith- in someone or something. Human beings are hard-wired to have faith. YOU are hard-wired to have faith.
The atheist has faith that there is no God. Faith causes the birds to start chirping at the first light of dawn- not really knowing if the sun will continue to rise or not.
God wrote His laws in our hearts AND in our minds. (Heb. 10:16) - "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord. ‘I will put MY LAWS into their HEARTS, and in their MINDS will I write them;..."
These laws placed WITHIN US, are the FOUNDATION of human faith. To deny the existence of God is to deny what your own heart and mind tell you (or once told you when you were young). In effect, you are calling God a liar. Not only that, but you are calling yourself a liar. Has science ever proven that it's beneficial to lie to oneself?
It is a nice discourse you've written here. What you might get the atheist to understand is that without God, knowledge is not possible; but you'll probably then have a deist. I'm not exceptionally skilled at logic, but I've yet to figure out how to argue that knowledge doesn't have a basis. Even if the person states that they are unable to know anything is the truth, why that statement is something that they know then. So then they have to know something if the only thing they know is that they cannot know that anything is the truth. In essence, the atheist is using the tools which God created in order to construct their understanding of the world.
I realize that that isn't entirely what you are saying in your statement (at least it doesn't seem like it is), but then you are talking about the debate between God and science and how it is obvious that there is a God. To me it is practically blindingly obvious. Now it takes the Holy Spirit to convince someone that the Bible is God's inerrant word; however, that is what I mean when I said it is obvious there is a God yet to one not called by God, it may only be apparent that there is a god (from their perspective) which they wouldn't know as the Christian God.
To say everything happened by randomness and chance is completely absurd when you consider the order of the world. I realize however that that is not objective evidence. Moreover, it seems to have been demonstrated that biological forms mutate and that a lot of living creatures seem to share common physical structures at certain levels. I don't see how any of this calls into question the existence of God. It just seems that people have somehow gotten the idea that God equals the unexplained and as the world becomes more explained, we have a smaller and smaller "god of the gaps".
Personally, I feel that lots of people when they read the Bible they feel that the God which is described for them there doesn't sit well with their conscience. They may receive the perception that He does some pretty horrible things from their perspective in the Old Testament and may think to themselves, "If this is the Christian God, then He doesn't deserve to be worshipped." Personally (as well as scripturally) I feel that is why it requires the Holy Spirit to give someone the ability to believe in God because without it they will be immersed in their humanism which it is impossible to become extracted from unless taken out of it by God.
Well, just a few thoughts. I enjoyed reading your message though (one last thing however--to attempt to prove God to anyone puts God on trial, and I don't feel this is the correct place for Him since it is His world in the first place. They have to prove their reasons for not believing in God for the proof of His existence is all around them; to not believe, they're lying to themselves and that to me is just a sad state to be in even though they don't know it. I know it because I was in it myself for so many years and never once during that time did I feel like I was living a lie).
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Can you prove it scientifically? Which means you must be able to make it happen in a lab? Show me one case where one species turned into another and then we can talk.
Christians believe in evolution and don't see it. They believe in formerly being blind then seeing,dead then alive, lost then found, being sinners then saints. How do you prove this in a lab ?.
Can you prove it scientifically? Which means you must be able to make it happen in a lab? Show me one case where one species turned into another and then we can talk.
Bacteriae rapidly evolve to become resistant to antibiotics. This is an observed phenomenon.
The genome of man is 98% congruent with the genome of a chimp.
The genome of a chimp is 97% congruent with the genome of a gorilla.
The chimp is closer to us than to the gorilla.
Humans and apes are primates.
A chimp did not become a human. However, the chimp and the human share a common ancestor 5-8 million years ago.
It's been abundantly clear from recent threads that the huge vast majority of atheists (and to a lesser extent agnostics) and nearly all evolutionists place their trust in science over God.
One of the Fathers of Cosmology and the Big Bang was a Jesuit Priest and physicist.
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