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Old 11-20-2007, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NC
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There's a big movement in this country to outlaw abortion, since life begins at conception, and all life is precious. However, it's estimated that nearly 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage (most of the time, the mother never even knows she's pregnant). Of the pregnancies that don't end in miscarriage, 24% end in induced abortion (or 12% of all pregnancies). This means that more than 4 times as many unborn children die of miscarriage than they do of abortion.

Assuming your church is trying to outlaw abortion in this country to save unborn children, what is your church doing to prevent the much bigger problem of unborn children who die of miscarriage? Perhaps by advocating for universal prenatal care?

Also, there is a movement to treat fertilized eggs from fertility clinics as unborn children. But very often, eggs fertilized 'naturally' never implant into a woman's uterus. It's estimated that between 30% and 70% of fertilized eggs fail to implant into the uterus, and this rate is highly dependent on age. The chance of implantation for a 27 y.o. woman per embryo transferred is double that of a 40 y.o. woman, and about five times as large as that of a 43 y.o. woman.

So does a baby die each time a fertilized egg doesn't implant? And does this imply that it's morally wrong for a woman above the ages of 35 or 40 to try to get pregnant or have unprotected sex, since the chances of killing an unborn child are far greater than the chances of successfully giving birth?
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:24 AM
 
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And have we all agreed that life begins at conception?

If so, what about all those little lives sealed up in test tubes and frozen? When they are thrown away, why is that different that an abortion?
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:31 AM
 
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And have we all agreed that life begins at conception?
That is the general consensus of conservative Christians, isn't it?
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If so, what about all those little lives sealed up in test tubes and frozen? When they are thrown away, why is that different that an abortion?
For many, it is the same as an abortion, which is why you are starting to see "embryo adoption agencies"....
Couple caught up in debate over fate of frozen embryos | The San Diego Union-Tribune
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:37 AM
 
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It may be the consensus of some of the more conservitive Christians, but not of all.

Life is the gift of birth. That is, the ability to live as an separate being.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:46 AM
 
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It may be the consensus of some of the more conservitive Christians, but not of all.

Life is the gift of birth. That is, the ability to live as an separate being.
Couldn't rep you so here it is in person. Bravo.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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To me, that's the same as saying, "what is your church doing about death by natural causes?" A miscarriage is death by natural causes...an abortion is a decision by another person to end a life.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:51 AM
 
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There's a big movement in this country to outlaw abortion, since life begins at conception, and all life is precious. However, it's estimated that nearly 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage (most of the time, the mother never even knows she's pregnant). Of the pregnancies that don't end in miscarriage, 24% end in induced abortion (or 12% of all pregnancies). This means that more than 4 times as many unborn children die of miscarriage than they do of abortion.

Assuming your church is trying to outlaw abortion in this country to save unborn children, what is your church doing to prevent the much bigger problem of unborn children who die of miscarriage? Perhaps by advocating for universal prenatal care?

Also, there is a movement to treat fertilized eggs from fertility clinics as unborn children. But very often, eggs fertilized 'naturally' never implant into a woman's uterus. It's estimated that between 30% and 70% of fertilized eggs fail to implant into the uterus, and this rate is highly dependent on age. The chance of implantation for a 27 y.o. woman per embryo transferred is double that of a 40 y.o. woman, and about five times as large as that of a 43 y.o. woman.

So does a baby die each time a fertilized egg doesn't implant? And does this imply that it's morally wrong for a woman above the ages of 35 or 40 to try to get pregnant or have unprotected sex, since the chances of killing an unborn child are far greater than the chances of successfully giving birth?

I hope this doesn't shock you but my church believes that such matters are private and personal. 'Separation of Church and State' and all that--that's the kind of church it is. A large mainstream protestant church. And where I live--that is 'How We Are'. shrug

You might contact Mel Gibson and find out what his church is doing--he has his own ideas about such things.

bhs
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Wake Forest, NC
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I hope this doesn't shock you but my church believes that such matters are private and personal. 'Separation of Church and State' and all that--that's the kind of church it is. A large mainstream protestant church. And where I live--that is 'How We Are'. shrug

You might contact Mel Gibson and find out what his church is doing--he has his own ideas about such things.

bhs
This was more of a question for conservative Christians, especially those who believe in things like the necessity of "embryo adoption agencies" to preserve human life. I'm already assuming that your church would NOT consider it immoral for a woman between the ages of 35 and 45 to have sex.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:31 AM
 
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To me, that's the same as saying, "what is your church doing about death by natural causes?" A miscarriage is death by natural causes...an abortion is a decision by another person to end a life.
You couldn't be more wrong. Medically speaking an abortion is ANY process by which a pregnancy ends.

That process can be spontaneous or intentionally induced.

Finally.. if a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, smokes cigarettes, or does anything that ultimately results in a a spontaneous abortion... has that person in effect committed an intentionally induced abortion?

What if a woman gets emotionally upset during pregnancy and that leads to a spontaneous abortion should that be labled as not natural? I mean she couldn't get herself together right?

Natural causes is a very tricky tricky tricky phrase..
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:35 AM
 
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This was more of a question for conservative Christians, especially those who believe in things like the necessity of "embryo adoption agencies" to preserve human life. I'm already assuming that your church would NOT consider it immoral for a woman between the ages of 35 and 45 to have sex.
Yeah--that's how it is here. 'Free Will'--'Believe as you will'

Individuals make their own decisions and are accountable for the 'consequences'.

It is a very large church--some believe one thing and some another. Rarely do people share such details and if they are involved in political activism--they don't discuss it unless they know someone is interested.

If you know anything about the 'Scots'--that is how they are and have always been. Lots of Scots settled this area--maybe that is why we are the way we are.

bhs
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