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Terminology of ‘’father and son’’ in bible:
İn many verses of bible, words of ‘’ father’’ and ‘’son’’ are used as ‘’master’’ and ‘’servant’’.In greek language the word ‘’ Pais’’ has two meanings: son and servant. Here are some examples from bible:
Luke 3:38: (this verse is about the ascendants of jesus, at the end of the list): 38the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.
Romans 8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Matthew 5:9: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.
Psalm 2:7: I will tell of the decree:Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee.
John 8:41: Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [Even] because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Jeremiah 31:9: They shall come with weeping; and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my first-born.
John 3 16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The Word begotten also used in ‘’Hebrews’’ like that:
Hebrews 11:17: By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only begotten [son]
As we can see, isaac is called abraham’s only begotten son. But other son of Abraham; ishmael; was older than isaac, so isaac cant be abraham’s only son. That means that begotten doesnt necessarily mean ‘’only son’’ in the terminology of bible. Also, we saw that on many verses of bible, god calls many people as ‘’his son’’ that means servant of him, not literal meaning.
Terminology of ‘’father and son’’ in bible:
İn many verses of bible, words of ‘’ father’’ and ‘’son’’ are used as ‘’master’’ and ‘’servant’’.In greek language the word ‘’ Pais’’ has two meanings: son and servant. Here are some examples from bible:
Luke 3:38: (this verse is about the ascendants of jesus, at the end of the list): 38the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.
Romans 8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Matthew 5:9: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.
Psalm 2:7: I will tell of the decree:Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee.
John 8:41: Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [Even] because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Jeremiah 31:9: They shall come with weeping; and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my first-born.
John 3 16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The Word begotten also used in ‘’Hebrews’’ like that:
Hebrews 11:17: By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only begotten [son]
As we can see, isaac is called abraham’s only begotten son. But other son of Abraham; ishmael; was older than isaac, so isaac cant be abraham’s only son. That means that begotten doesnt necessarily mean ‘’only son’’ in the terminology of bible. Also, we saw that on many verses of bible, god calls many people as ‘’his son’’ that means servant of him, not literal meaning.
"Pais" is also used to mean "male lover" in secular Greek writings of the time.
Terminology of ‘’father and son’’ in bible:
İn many verses of bible, words of ‘’ father’’ and ‘’son’’ are used as ‘’master’’ and ‘’servant’’.In greek language the word ‘’ Pais’’ has two meanings: son and servant. Here are some examples from bible:
Luke 3:38: (this verse is about the ascendants of jesus, at the end of the list): 38the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.
Romans 8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Matthew 5:9: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.
Psalm 2:7: I will tell of the decree:Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee.
John 8:41: Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [Even] because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Jeremiah 31:9: They shall come with weeping; and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my first-born.
John 3 16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The Word begotten also used in ‘’Hebrews’’ like that:
Hebrews 11:17: By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only begotten [son]
As we can see, isaac is called abraham’s only begotten son. But other son of Abraham; ishmael; was older than isaac, so isaac cant be abraham’s only son. That means that begotten doesnt necessarily mean ‘’only son’’ in the terminology of bible. Also, we saw that on many verses of bible, god calls many people as ‘’his son’’ that means servant of him, not literal meaning.
Why do you ask? Do you think his post would be more clear if he wrote it in Greek?
He was speaking of the word used for "son" and how it was used in the original text that the Bible was written in, which was Greek. I'd be curious to see if he was able to actually read the original texts, or if he was just going off of what he read somewhere else.
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