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Old 05-16-2014, 02:45 AM
 
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This is how world peace begins. We need a new message that people of all beliefs can and will agree upon. This is that message.

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Old 05-16-2014, 04:27 AM
 
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This is how world peace begins. We need a new message that people of all beliefs can and will agree upon. This is that message.

EL
From reading the responses here, it would appear that this message ain't it.
Some pretty pictures, though.
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Old 05-16-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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From reading the responses here, it would appear that this message ain't it.
Some pretty pictures, though.
Well then, you must tell me what that message is.
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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From reading the responses here, it would appear that this message ain't it.
Some pretty pictures, though.
Almost all but one of these responses is from Christian atheists. They are among those whom have been the most traumatized by theists’ theories. It is very early yet, for them it may take some time.
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Almost all but one of these responses is from Christian atheists. They are among those whom have been the most traumatized by theists’ theories. It is very early yet, for them it may take some time.
Christian atheists?

How about Jewish Catholics or Muslim Jehovah Witnesses?
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:18 PM
 
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Almost all but one of these responses is from Christian atheists. They are among those whom have been the most traumatized by theists’ theories. It is very early yet, for them it may take some time.
That is a bit insulting, you know. Yes I was a Christian, now I am not, but I am not an atheist only with regard to the Christian concept of God. As best I can tell ( you have not explained your idea in any real detail) you are simply positing an endless chain of creators, which could be the case, but we have no evidence for this. What reason, what evidence can you give that your conception is the correct one?

It is not that I disbelieve because I was hurt by a particular form of theism (which I was, it is true). I disbelieve because I have no evidence. No amount of time will change that, only evidence.

-NoCapo
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Old 05-16-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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Well then, you must tell me what that message is
Why hasn't the Singularity gone mainstream (yet?)


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Old 05-16-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Christian atheists?

How about Jewish Catholics or Muslim Jehovah Witnesses?
I did not mean to confuse you, Christian athiest are atheist because of Christian theology.
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Old 05-16-2014, 07:54 PM
 
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This is how world peace begins. We need a new message that people of all beliefs can and will agree upon. This is that message.

EL
I think this is a futile effort. Human history has shown us that the only way to get everyone to agree on a proposition is to kill the ones that won't agree, and that just fosters more disbelief... The best we can do is agree to disagree and try to let each person have the maximum freedom of belief, while protecting that same freedom for others. It is a balance, and will constantly need fiddling with, but trying to get everyone to agree on something is just futile. Most existing religions are incompatible with your vision, and us non-theists don't particularly need it...

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Old 05-18-2014, 10:20 PM
 
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That is a bit insulting, you know. Yes I was a Christian, now I am not, but I am not an atheist only with regard to the Christian concept of God. As best I can tell ( you have not explained your idea in any real detail) you are simply positing an endless chain of creators, which could be the case, but we have no evidence for this. What reason, what evidence can you give that your conception is the correct one?

It is not that I disbelieve because I was hurt by a particular form of theism (which I was, it is true). I disbelieve because I have no evidence. No amount of time will change that, only evidence.

-NoCapo
The evidence you seek will not be present for some time, it may not happen for several generations. But until then we can extrapolate from what is known to what is unknown. You can discover more about this HERE.


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