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Old 03-29-2014, 07:36 PM
 
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Hey! I haven't seen the movie yet and now you've ruined the ending! You need to put spoiler alerts around that.
here are more details from another Sura of the Holy Quran and this is another style of Quran miracles

The story of 950 years is briefed in a half page.

The people of Nuh (Noah) denied (their Messenger) before them. They rejected Our slave, and said: "A madman!" and he was insolently rebuked and threatened.

Then he invoked his Lord (saying): "I have been overcome, so help (me)!"

So We opened the gates of the heaven with water pouring forth.

And We caused springs to gush forth from the earth. So the waters (of the heaven and the earth) met for a matter predestined.

And We carried him on a (ship) made of planks and nails,

Floating under Our Eyes: a reward for him who had been rejected!

And indeed, We have left this as a sign. Then is there any that will remember (or receive admonition)?

Then how (terrible) was My Torment and My Warnings?

And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember; then is there any one who will remember (or receive admonition)?

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Old 03-30-2014, 07:59 AM
 
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I don't know why there's outcry about this movie. You could tell since the movie went in production a couple of years ago or so, this wasn't going to be a biblically focused telling of the story. It's like people are shocked at how the movie turned out. Yet anyway, the movie doesn't interest me specifically, but I don't have a problem with the way it's depicted. (Other than all the actors being of European descent, but even that complaint is not valid because again this movie isn't an accurate depiction of the Genesis account. Yet at the very least, we could have had more of a mixed cast. Of course all I've seen is the trailer and not the movie itself.) I see this movie more like a depiction of vikings.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Summit, NJ
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I'm an atheist who thought Aronofsky's previous movie, Black Swan, was a pile of horse manure. I think I can safely skip his retelling of Noah's Ark.
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Old 04-01-2014, 12:49 AM
 
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I am always fascinated by "lifelike" retellings of myths. To me, they give the myths more rather than less credence. In other words, making it all less "magical" and giving it more of a realistic possible origin makes me more willing to entertain the possibility that at least something similar to the myth happened at one time.

But that's at the core of it...it is offensive to Christians to hear their stories called myths...even, often, among those who say they believe the Bible is largely "parable." That doesn't make much sense to me. Oh well. Like when you ask a Christian whether s/he believes in the Adam and Eve story in a literal way, and he (let's simplify this to "he") says, "Of course not! That's just a parable," but then you refer to the "myth" of Adam and Eve and he pulls a freakout on you. "The Bible is NOT myth, as in a made-up story to prove a point! It's a parable, as in a made-up story to prove a point."

I would totally see this movie. If I can get a babysitter, that is. I'm fascinated already with how the whole event will be portrayed. I already know how it plays out in the Bible. No reason for me to see a direct-from-the-Bible retelling. Why see a movie if you can, sight unseen, already parrot the majority of the script and the plot lines?
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Old 04-01-2014, 01:00 AM
 
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But on a lighter note (still on the subject of "authentic" Bible retellings): When my sister and I were teenagers, we were watching one of the Jesus movies...The Greatest Story Ever Told, maybe?...and my parents came in to change the channel and my sister said, "No, wait! Now we're never going to know how it ends."

Of course we all burst out laughing and told her she was going to hell. She said she'd meet us there and to please remember to bring sunscreen.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I am always fascinated by "lifelike" retellings of myths. To me, they give the myths more rather than less credence. In other words, making it all less "magical" and giving it more of a realistic possible origin makes me more willing to entertain the possibility that at least something similar to the myth happened at one time.

But that's at the core of it...it is offensive to Christians to hear their stories called myths...even, often, among those who say they believe the Bible is largely "parable." That doesn't make much sense to me. Oh well. Like when you ask a Christian whether s/he believes in the Adam and Eve story in a literal way, and he (let's simplify this to "he") says, "Of course not! That's just a parable," but then you refer to the "myth" of Adam and Eve and he pulls a freakout on you. "The Bible is NOT myth, as in a made-up story to prove a point! It's a parable, as in a made-up story to prove a point."

I would totally see this movie. If I can get a babysitter, that is. I'm fascinated already with how the whole event will be portrayed. I already know how it plays out in the Bible. No reason for me to see a direct-from-the-Bible retelling. Why see a movie if you can, sight unseen, already parrot the majority of the script and the plot lines?
Does it hit an iceberg and sink?
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:04 AM
 
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Does it hit an iceberg and sink?
LOL, yes, how did you know?

No, I meant how the specifics play out...what Noah might actually have been thinking, if there had been a Noah...what it would have been like to have been seen as a pariah and a total whack-a-doo to the rest of the community...what his family had to say about it...how to keep the lions from eating the zebras and so on.

I think we all pretty much know how it ends. Maybe that's the part where I can go to the ladies room.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:22 AM
 
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here are more details from another Sura of the Holy Quran and this is another style of Quran miracles

The story of 950 years is briefed in a half page.

The people of Nuh (Noah) denied (their Messenger) before them. They rejected Our slave, and said: "A madman!" and he was insolently rebuked and threatened.

Then he invoked his Lord (saying): "I have been overcome, so help (me)!"

So We opened the gates of the heaven with water pouring forth.

And We caused springs to gush forth from the earth. So the waters (of the heaven and the earth) met for a matter predestined.

And We carried him on a (ship) made of planks and nails,

Floating under Our Eyes: a reward for him who had been rejected!

And indeed, We have left this as a sign. Then is there any that will remember (or receive admonition)?

Then how (terrible) was My Torment and My Warnings?

And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember; then is there any one who will remember (or receive admonition)?

Who is the" WE" in all that???...
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:27 AM
 
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Who is the" WE" in all that???...

Meh, the whole "we" thing (it appears in the Jewish Bible too) isn't really new...there's always an explanation for it..."God was predicting the eventual coming of Jesus and that's why he said 'we,'" "God was talking about the Holy Trinity," etc.

My personal take on it? It's a holdover from when the people who would eventually self-identify as Jews were polythestic and Elohim was simply one god of many (to oversimplify things, but you get the gist).
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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Never could figure out why an omnipotent God couldn't just make everyone else disappear and leave Noah and his family intact without all the dramatics.
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