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What did the slave holders use as their justification for allowing them to keep slaves? What book gave them the impression it was ok to keep slaves?
"Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession...... Leviticus 25:44-46
And it's even okay to beat them....
"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money." Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)
"Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession...... Leviticus 25:44-46
And it's even okay to beat them....
"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money." Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)
Why not?
In a movie these women would only belong to the supporting cast and not to the leading cast.
Lets put it this way. If this were truly real stuff and not just some fantasy, then yea, we would have one of Jesus' beloved MALE disciples discover the tomb first! Not a group of women! Back in ancient Jerusalem, the testimony of women were thought to be HIGHLY unreliable. A woman could not testify in court because they were seen as liars and untrustworthy. This was a product of society at the time, not something that only existed in the Bible.
The fact that women, rather than men, appear in the narrative as the discovers of Jesus’ empty tomb is, by the way, one of the most convincing factors leading most scholars to accept the historicity of the narrative. Back then, to have women discover something that is so crucial to the origin of Christianity is an embarrassment. But they did, and so it was recorded.
The fact that women, rather than men, appear in the narrative as the discovers of Jesus’ empty tomb is, by the way, one of the most convincing factors leading most scholars to accept the historicity of the narrative.
I dunno, weren't they also not visited by angels?
I just find the whole resurrection highly unlikely, but that's just my opinion.
"Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession...... Leviticus 25:44-46
And it's even okay to beat them....
"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money." Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)
I could quote more but I think the point is made.
You guys really need to read up on the Old/New Covenants and what ALL the Bible says rather than just pull a few verses to suit your needs. Troop, exactly how many times have we discussed this? How can you and others keep making the same tired arguments like you've never heard this stuff before? It confuses me.
I'd suggest, northsider, you read through these and then we'll discuss the old law.
How's that relevant? Americans still condoned slavery and you are an American.
You're baiting and switching, my friend.
I'm not baiting and switching. I'm also not saying we should punish the sons for the father's sins, or something like that. But, I think we should be well aware of the history of such things instead of just writing it off as un-Christian or un-American. Personally, holding slaves, killing Indians, and naming anything else tragic in our history seems quite American to me, and it seems quite Christian to me as well. At least I acknowledge it as fact that Americans did it. You're essentially saying that these people were not Christians, and that is what I can't stand about Christianity in the first place. Anytime something goes wrong it wasn't technically "Christian" but the second something goes right they get all the credit.
You guys really need to read up on the Old/New Covenants and what ALL the Bible says rather than just pull a few verses to suit your needs. Troop, exactly how many times have we discussed this? How can you and others keep making the same tired arguments like you've never heard this stuff before? It confuses me.
I'd suggest, northsider, you read through these and then we'll discuss the old law.
Because I'm not content with the explanation. I'm told everything in the Bible is literal and yet I don't see people beating their slaves any more. I just don't get it.
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Why not?
I dunno, weren't they also not visited by angels?
This would not be a bad idea if you wanted to start all over again.
