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Old 07-29-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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There are three basic Abrahamic religions that most of us obliged to acknowledge. They are all derived from Abraham in the bible. They are as follows:

1) Judaism

2) Islam

3) Christianity

Currently the Jews are killing the Palestinians in Gaza. Of course, if they didn't, then HAMAS Muslims would most certainly be killing them. ISIS, the Sunni Muslims, are now killing Shia Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Christians in the Congo are killing Muslims and Muslims are killing them too.

All of these religions are rooted in evil and based upon falsehoods. They're the cause of so much suffering, pain, death, and all sorts of social calamities.

I think we would all be much better off without most religions at all. Let's just go for science, technology, and transhumanism, instead...
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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I agree that organized religions, based on various versions of the Torah/Bible/Quran, are the cause of much of the evil that besets mankind.

And yes, I believe the world would be a much better place had they never been established.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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And before anyone even thinks of saying that we said this:

NO, no one is saying that without religion there would be no war or killing.

What we -are- saying, however, is that it would be much harder to justify war and killing; there would be far less of a reason to be a jackass to your neighbor.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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And before anyone even thinks of saying that we said this:

NO, no one is saying that without religion there would be no war or killing.

What we -are- saying, however, is that it would be much harder to justify war and killing; there would be far less of a reason to be a jackass to your neighbor.
Atheistic tyrants have killed many more people in the last 100 years than religious folk. Honestly...do you people never THINK before you spout off the nonsense?
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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Atheistic tyrants have killed many more people in the last 100 years than religious folk. Honestly...do you people never THINK before you spout off the nonsense?
And those arguments have been debunked again and again and again and again.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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And those arguments have been debunked again and again and again and again.
By whom?

Unless you think WW1 & 2, Korea and Vietnam were religious wars.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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By whom?

Unless you think WW1 & 2, Korea and Vietnam were religious wars.
I'm guessing we're going to get a "Hitler was a Christian" argument. Or maybe they think Stalin was a closet Mormon.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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As far as religion goes, the first Abrahamic religion gave the world a fair advance over the majority of bronze age religions that were all about appeasing the whims of various gods when the concept that what was pleasing to the Abrahamic God could be set down in a set of instructions for living in the society controlled by that perception as opposed to detailed instructions for sacrifices that had to be done right (though that was part of the rigamarole too). Over the centuries that went in two directions; extreme detail on those original injunctions, and emphasis on the motivation for the socially responsible parts. The second thread found its culmination as basis for the establishment of the second major Abrahamic faith system, though the primacy of that vision did not seem to last long, it has always been a strong current within that religion.

As long as a religion is not based on the perception of a diety that has a concern for the ultimate well-being of humanity as a whole at its heart (even though specific circumsatances may not look like that) that religion will tend to become a basis for oppression of one or more elements of that humanity.

Someone else will have to look at the third Abrahamic religion from that standpoint, I see no advances offered.

Of non0-theist approaches, only secular humanism seems to me to have anything to offer as a valuable controlling ideal.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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There are three basic Abrahamic religions that most of us obliged to acknowledge. They are all derived from Abraham in the bible. They are as follows:

1) Judaism

2) Islam

3) Christianity

Currently the Jews are killing the Palestinians in Gaza. Of course, if they didn't, then HAMAS Muslims would most certainly be killing them. ISIS, the Sunni Muslims, are now killing Shia Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Christians in the Congo are killing Muslims and Muslims are killing them too.

All of these religions are rooted in evil and based upon falsehoods. They're the cause of so much suffering, pain, death, and all sorts of social calamities.

I think we would all be much better off without most religions at all. Let's just go for science, technology, and transhumanism, instead...
There are 4. The fourth one Sabeeans (Baptizers) Trace their origin back to John the Baptist (Sabeean). They are very nearly extinct now. But they are an Abrahamic Faith.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Do you people NEVER read posts? Hitler was a Christian - according to his way of thinking. You would say not a 'Real' Christian, but he was definitely a God believer.

As for the Marxist dictators, Marxist orthodoxy was their religion, and they carried out a crusading Holy war to spread it. They may have been technically atheists, but they weren't 'real' atheists.

Blaming Stalin and Pol pot on atheism - never ind Hitler - is what has been debunked. Either you don't read posts or you put them right out of your mind if they don't support your prejudices.
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