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Do you not comprehend that the above is just you opinion and according to your own words is no more valid than anyone else's and as such is worthless in judging. You know according to your own posts. Ergo, your whole series of posts in this thread is worthless and no more valid than anyone else's.
How this fact how flown over your head consistently being shown to you is I must conclude an effect of your misguided approach to morality - which stems from that ancient tribal book you think comes from on high.
So sad!
Yes. It is my opinion that God is God. And you still have no basis for condemning the actions of God.
Argumentum ad nauseam is the logical fallacy that something becomes true if it is repeated often enough. The overuse of an ad nauseam argument that can be easily shown to be false leads to the PRATT - the "point refuted a thousand times."
A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with.
So why do you persist in your claims that you have any sort of moral authority over ANYONE else?
09-02-2014, 10:52 AM
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Yes. It is my opinion that God is God. And you still have no basis for condemning the actions of God.
Which is completely irrelevant and sidetracking the issues I am dealing with in your points. Of course that would just mean that you have no basis for condemning my condemnation of god - if that is what I was doing - which I have not.
So why do you persist in your claims that you have any sort of moral authority over ANYONE else?
Vizio ... like I told you before.
Our morality comes from consensus. At least for the most part. Sometimes the rule of law is necessary, but not always.
Morality has always come from consensus. Always.
Even Christians derive their morality through consensus, which is why there are so many denominations and factions, each with their own peculiar moral beliefs.
There is no absolute morality.
Morality has never been a black or white issue. Whenever it was, that society was oppressive and brutal.
Even the big things like killing people - there are always exceptions.
In addition, your absolute morality comes from a God not everyone believes in. Thus morality being absolute to begin with only applies to those who believe in the source.
I don't. Neither do 4 billion other people.
You can exercise your devotion to your own god, your own religion, and your own morality - but the moment you try to force me to follow your rules (many of which I reject out of hand), well, that's when I start getting feisty.
09-02-2014, 11:01 AM
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Actually, it's quite relevant. The OP started the thread discussing the morality of God.
Excuse me! I am not the OP! It is irrelevant to my posts with regard to your particular responses. Why I would have to make that clear seems like just another intentional sidetrack on your part.
Excuse me! I am not the OP! It is irrelevant to my posts with regard to your particular responses. Why I would have to make that clear seems like just another intentional sidetrack on your part.
Perhaps you should try to keep the discussion on track instead of hijacking the thread then.
Our morality comes from consensus. At least for the most part. Sometimes the rule of law is necessary, but not always.
Ultimately, though...it's consensus of opinions.
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Morality has always come from consensus. Always.
How do you know?
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Even Christians derive their morality through consensus, which is why there are so many denominations and factions, each with their own peculiar moral beliefs.
There is no absolute morality.
If there is no moral absolute, then there is no basis for condemnation of ANYONE you deem to be immoral. I wouldn't want live in your world of make-believe.
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Morality has never been a black or white issue. Whenever it was, that society was oppressive and brutal.
Even the big things like killing people - there are always exceptions.
In addition, your absolute morality comes from a God not everyone believes in. Thus morality being absolute to begin with only applies to those who believe in the source.
Yet....you guys love to try to condemn and discredit said God.
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I don't. Neither do 4 billion other people.
You can exercise your devotion to your own god, your own religion, and your own morality - but the moment you try to force me to follow your rules (many of which I reject out of hand), well, that's when I start getting feisty.
I've certainly never suggested you must adhere to my religion.
Define evil, please. You haven't done that. Nor CAN you do that. Your system of morality cannot objectively define evil. What you say is evil, not everyone agrees on. Until you can do that all you have is your personal opinion, which is worthless when it comes to condemning anyone else.
Evil is whatever is destructive to the human purpose for existing. You have been told this many times and you ignore any answers that refute your idea of objective "absolute" morality. The "absolute" is in quotes because your version is not remotely "absolute." It is whatever God says it is . . . except that it doesn't ever apply to God! The fact that it must also be SUBJECTIVELY determined by human beings from revelations recorded by subjective human beings seems to elude your awareness!
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Actually no. I never said that. I said God can punish because he owns us--he created us. I don't expect you to actually get right what I said though. That would take intellectual honesty.
God does not punish, period. We experience the consequences of our violations of God's laws . . . whether physical or spiritual . . . here and after death.
Evil is whatever is destructive to the human purpose for existing.
How do you come up with this definition? How do you know how to apply it to a particular circumstance?
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