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Old 11-11-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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True enough. Most of those who pound the pulpit in defense of their angry god tend to lean rather far to the right politically.

I suppose, to, that for many, it is far easier to stand next to an angry god and point your finger at the same people than to actually risk defiance and possible eternal damnation.
There's quite a bit of research on the topic, and an RWA scale that is used widely (you can test yourself here).

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...5#.VGJ8t1PF-98

Chapter 21 here: Handbook of the Psychology of Religion and Spirituality - Google Books

Predicting Prejudice from Religious Fundamentalism and Right-Wing Authoritarianism: A Multiple-Regression Approach - Laythe - 2002 - Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion - Wiley Online Library

What if there were no God? Politically conservative and liberal Christians imagine their lives without faith

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Old 11-11-2014, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Considering that secular psychologists don't consider it a mental illness for a man to think he's a woman or to want to be sexually involved with a man....I'm not sure I really am bothered by the idea that they consider my religious beliefs to be an issue.
Yup. And their odd obsession with others' religious beliefs says more about them than about believers.
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Old 11-12-2014, 02:53 AM
 
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Yup. And their odd obsession with others' religious beliefs says more about them than about believers.
LOL!

I find it rather quaint when believers try to slam atheists and only manage to expose their flagrant hypocrisy instead.

Because, really ... I think the "odd obsession" with other people's sex lives says quite a bit about certain believers, too.

Thing is - no one is forcing you to participate in someone else's physical intimacy - which is more than I can say about religion, which is constantly trying to force itself into every facet of American life regardless of how many non-Christians and non-believers there are.
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Old 11-12-2014, 05:28 AM
 
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to describe the god of the bible is a look at how the person sees things. It's better than that there ink blot thingies.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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to describe the god of the bible is a look at how the person sees things. It's better than that there ink blot thingies.
Yes, considering that there are many descriptions of "the god of the bible" and they show a distinct progression from outright anthropomorphism to "spirit" and "love" picking one description and saying "that is God" is a lot like picking an inkblot and saying it is clearly a picture of something concrete and knowable.
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Old 11-12-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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It's well-known fact around here that Rodger Tutt had a nervous breakdown over the "angry God" concept. That's probably an extreme and each individual reacts with varying degrees of mania over the concept, but it should prove that the angry God thing is a definite negative, despite all the conservatives with this "God must judge sin harshly" rubbish.
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Old 11-18-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Monnem Germany/ from San Diego
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God should chill a bit and not take stuff so seriously.
Anger management classes maybe?
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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Oh, so it's all about yourself.. once again, Freudian projectionist psychology rears its ugly head.
Well, there is more grounded truth in Freud than there is in religion.

Consider the following: When a person says "God wants me to do this?" are they not just justifying that which they choose to do anyway ? Why else would someone feel a need to explain one's behavior?
Then again, I am certain that if some 20 something wanted to marry Charles Manson, then someone would say "Oh it is god's will" whatever god it may be

Consider the following: All evidence points to hallucinations and an altered sense of reality as the impetus for hearing from deities. No evidence at all exists that there is actually a god talking to someone. If you want proof, then go visit a mental institution, and talk to and observe the residents there. You will see the correlation between "god's voice" and various illnesses classified in the DSM-V.

Consider the following: The god of the old testament is nothing but a super human with a ego problem. He is not perfect, he makes mistakes that he has to destroy and rebuild. He is a racist, creating all humans then encouraging genocide from one group to another. He cannot defeat his enemy, and in spite of his powers of creation, he cannot even cure disease among his followers. he even forbade those who are deformed or disabled from serving as priests in his temple, lest people see his inability to work supposed miracles.
In the New testament, he has to sacrifice himself to himself in order to change some law he supposedly made to begin with. He is not omnipotent, he is not omniscient. He has all the flaws of the Greek and Egyptian pantheon, jealousy, ineptitude and apathy. What great god is that? The God of the Bible is many things, but Love is not one of them, regardless of what a few distorted individuals may have claimed.

So why would a person who follows an imperfect, flawed god, not be wallowing in imperfection and self loathing. Especially if they think of their god as perfect? If they think that this god is perfect, then yes, they are on the wrong track to enlightenment and self actualization.

The fundys/evangelicals prey on these types, for anyone who can be convinced of their utter failure as a human, and a need to be redeemed which can be only rectified through their religion, is a victim waiting to happen.
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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Well, there is more grounded truth in Freud than there is in religion.

Consider the following: When a person says "God wants me to do this?" are they not just justifying that which they choose to do anyway ? Why else would someone feel a need to explain one's behavior?
Then again, I am certain that if some 20 something wanted to marry Charles Manson, then someone would say "Oh it is god's will" whatever god it may be
Charles Manson is marrying a 20 something year old. They make a cute couple, haha.
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