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Old 01-21-2015, 12:15 AM
 
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I have to admit, this is the first time I have ever been presented with something in the Bible that I can not quickly explain or resolve in my head.


Deuteronomy 21:21

"Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear."

How are us Christians suppose to rationalize instructions to murder people / our children?
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Old 01-21-2015, 02:13 AM
 
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This is what happens when someone takes a passage out of context for their own agenda and leaves out all the rest that led up to it as capital punishment for murder by an adult.

The Original Meaning of Deuteronomy 21:22-23
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Old 01-21-2015, 04:03 AM
 
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This is what happens when someone takes a passage out of context for their own agenda and leaves out all the rest that led up to it as capital punishment for murder by an adult.

The Original Meaning of Deuteronomy 21:22-23
The OP is not talking about Deuteronomy 21:22-23 but about Deuteronomy 21:21. Here it is in context.
Deuteronomy 21

18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Deuteronomy 21:22 begins an entirely different thought about not displaying the bodies of executed persons overnight.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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The OP is not talking about Deuteronomy 21:22-23 but about Deuteronomy 21:21. Here it is in context.
Deuteronomy 21

18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Deuteronomy 21:22 begins an entirely different thought about not displaying the bodies of executed persons overnight.
True enough, but the point remains that the reference, along with all the other elements of legal/religious instruction in the theocracy of Israel developed to that point is only a matter of the historical background for the faith commitment taught by Jesus which relegates all such relations to consideration for the well-being of ALL people in any situation and not a matter of what rules may have been developed in a bronze age society.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:09 AM
 
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Kind of scary isn't it? It's a good thing that the bible inerrantists / literalists don't actually read the OT much.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:14 AM
 
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Kind of scary isn't it? It's a good thing that the bible inerrantists / literalists don't actually read the OT much.
Maybe it would be better if they did, with the possibility of realizing the horrific context of the "laws" they DO pull out.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:25 AM
 
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The OP is not talking about Deuteronomy 21:22-23 but about Deuteronomy 21:21. Here it is in context.

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Read the entire link. Basically one can cannot pull one sentence out of a paragraph and use it to stand on its own outside of the context it was written in as if the paragraph never existed. Thus taking it out of its context. When one speaks of their children , one is speaking of their offspring who may be any age and not simply a child under 18. Plus if we go further back in the paragraph and the child is the offspring of a bad mother which resulted in a bad child, then that lineage is brought to an end with the end of that child.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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Yea, a person pulls out a seemingly horrific one-verse passage from the bible and debunk God all together.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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Read the entire link. Basically one can cannot pull one sentence out of a paragraph and use it to stand on its own outside of the context it was written in as if the paragraph never existed. Thus taking it out of its context. When one speaks of their children , one is speaking of their offspring who may be any age and not simply a child under 18. Plus if we go further back in the paragraph and the child is the offspring of a bad mother which resulted in a bad child, then that lineage is brought to an end with the end of that child.
I did not pull out one sentence out of a paragraph. That was the OP. I quoted the entire paragraph to show the specific context of the one sentence provided by the OP, that the person stoned was violating the social mores of the culture. The question raised by the OP was what are Christians to make of this. The link you provided discusses vv 22-23 at great length in terms of the meaning and symbolism of hanging an executed corpse in a tree. But it says nothing at all about what modern Christians are to make of stoning those who violate the social dictates of a culture. Is this still God's command or not?
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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Yea, a person pulls out a seemingly horrific one-verse passage from the bible and debunk God all together.
You must not read the Bible much: Examples of God personally killing people
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