Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
You're saying that the occurrence of the most monumental event in human history depends on me? I'm flattered!
I never had the slightest clue that I am so extremely important.
But this appears to me to be a very passive approach, which isn't what the Christ wanted for us at all. The Christ wants us to wake up, get off our lazy passive behinds waiting for someone else to do it for us and instead build our own kingdom here and now in this very lifetime, that is what heaven on earth here and now is all about. It is when we outgrow the nursery school type dependency on an "all powerful" savior, and mature instead into someone willing to cultivate the Christ within, recognize and act on our own divinity within. That is the path Christ was laying out for us if we choose to take it.
I agree with part of what you say we are to do things for Christ, but Matthew 6:19-20 "Don't store up treasures here on earth where they can be eaten up by moths and get rusty, and where thieves break in and steal. Store up your treasures in Heaven, where they will never become moth eaten or rusty and where they will be safe from thieves". Some people are more concerned over why Jesus hasn't returned than making sure they're ready to come face to face with Him.
I agree with part of what you say we are to do things for Christ, but Matthew 6:19-20 "Don't store up treasures here on earth where they can be eaten up by moths and get rusty, and where thieves break in and steal. Store up your treasures in Heaven, where they will never become moth eaten or rusty and where they will be safe from thieves". Some people are more concerned over why Jesus hasn't returned than making sure they're ready to come face to face with Him.
HistoryasIS, can I get a cliff notes on that please or better yet, your opinion on the subject?
I agree on what is said.
The most imporant thing is I think that artacle pulls out what a word meant back then might not be the now
Old definitions leave race or offspring very open to also being possable.
but Modern definition i have a hard time find race but when we use the old definitions they list it as a possable being race
I think it very possable The translations use race because if we study our bible the jews as a race are everlasting period. they will not be destroy they will see Christ return and moan for the one they rejected.
In my own view that [SIZE=4]generation the race of the jews will not pass until they (jews) see all this come to pass.
what i think it is, its a very good poss able mening race [/SIZE]
While there is lots of evidence that point to the idea the writers of the New Testament were under or GAVE the impression their Jesus was to return in their lifetimes or soon thereafter, there are two very curious passages not often mentioned when this subject is being discussed. They are VERY telling.
In Matthew 10, Jesus calls his Disciples together to send them out to preach. After exhorting them and telling them about the dangers and obstacles they will face, he throws in a line of assurance. He tells them, "For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. " (Matthew 10:23). Of course, those Disciples are long dead and they may have preached the Gospel around Judea and Galilee and Jesus still has not returned.
The other passage is found in the Book of Mark when Jesus stands before the high priest. The high priest ask him if he is the one (the Messiah). Jesus responds with this:
I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” - Mark 14:62b
That high priest and his court has been long dead and Jesus did not return.
Actually, Jesus said, " On the third day..." not "In three days and nights." He did exactly what He said He would.
Matthew
39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
The most imporant thing is I think that artacle pulls out what a word meant back then might not be the now
Old definitions leave race or offspring very open to also being possable.
but Modern definition i have a hard time find race but when we use the old definitions they list it as a possable being race
I think it very possable The translations use race because if we study our bible the jews as a race are everlasting period. they will not be destroy they will see Christ return and moan for the one they rejected.
In my own view that [SIZE=4]generation the race of the jews will not pass until they (jews) see all this come to pass.
what i think it is, its a very good poss able mening race [/SIZE]
I hate to spoil your Idea but there is over 100 quotes in the New Testament stating they believe Jesus would come in there life time. Again we see that the current christian interpret the bible instead of reading the bible as it is written.
While there is lots of evidence that point to the idea the writers of the New Testament were under or GAVE the impression their Jesus was to return in their lifetimes or soon thereafter, there are two very curious passages not often mentioned when this subject is being discussed. They are VERY telling.
In Matthew 10, Jesus calls his Disciples together to send them out to preach. After exhorting them and telling them about the dangers and obstacles they will face, he throws in a line of assurance. He tells them, "For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. " (Matthew 10:23). Of course, those Disciples are long dead and they may have preached the Gospel around Judea and Galilee and Jesus still has not returned.
The other passage is found in the Book of Mark when Jesus stands before the high priest. The high priest ask him if he is the one (the Messiah). Jesus responds with this:
I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” - Mark 14:62b
That high priest and his court has been long dead and Jesus did not return.
I will one up you.
Matthew 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
And raise you two:
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 9:27
27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;
Hebrews 10 kjv
25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching
Oh wait the Christian will say that means seeing Jesus resurrected after death. If that was the case do you think Jesus believes he is a place? The word kingdom usually describes a place kind like heaven.
I will one up you.
Matthew 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
And raise you two:
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 9:27
27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;
Hebrews 10 kjv
25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching
Oh wait the Christian will say that means seeing Jesus resurrected after death. If that was the case do you think Jesus believes he is a place? The word kingdom usually describes a place kind like heaven.
Actually the rebuttal that is used is that Jesus was speaking about his transfiguration which allegedly happened right after he spoke the words you selected. Obviously he did not have his kingdom with him when he was transfigured so that argument flames out real fast.
As for the other passages you mentioned, they are clear examples the early Christians we under the impression Jesus was coming any day. This is why the early Christians had no problem selling all their possessions and gloried in persecution because Jesus was soon to return to make everything alright. He had just stepped away for a moment to build a few mansions.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
