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Originally Posted by WeHa
Funny, I was going to ask you the same question. The OP is a huge wall of text, but it never gave a point. I'm not even sure which religion you're disagreeing with.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
What my point is, that since Christianity calls itself an Abrahamic religion and claims that their Old Testament is a direct translation of the TaNaKh, from Hebrew to English, when it is not, to challenge people to actually read and research the OP a little farther...To actually take a Hebrew TaNaKh and a Christian Old Testament and see the differences in the translations, specifically the way that the "Messianic" prophecies were rendered in English...Without parroting someone else's works as proofs...To do the work and come to your own conclusion...The OP that I have proffered is just a guideline to get one thinking...Whoever wants to read it and consider it....
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Enticement.
See the way it looks to me is that one organised religion had been promised a Messiah would come and fix things and establish the Hebrews as the chosen people of The King of The Elohim species.
The Hebrews being human, continued to fall short of showing the world how things should be done. Not for want of certain individuals trying to persuade the establishment - Judaism - to stop misrepresenting 'what G()D is' and start behaving accordingly.
But, being human - such influencing positions have to deal with worldly politics and survive, so the best chance of doing that was not to trust that The King of The Elohim would have their back and to continue holding the reigns over the minds of the Hebrews - who by now were calling themselves Jews.
Nonetheless, many tired (and continue that tradition) to be the 'Messiah' and all failed - according to the fact that prophetic utterances regarding what the Messiah would achieve had not been fulfilled - and one of those many was the person Christianity calls 'Jesus'.
The difference being that all the rest fell into obscurity but the Romans came up with a plan to put a spanner in the works by promoting Jesus in such a way that they were also able to convince many that Jesus was the Messiah that had been promised and that he would return one day and fulfill all the prophesy.
However - the Jewish establishment saw that this could never happen because Jesus was not the Messiah and could never return from the dead and take up that position.
The Romans devised a way of covering their bases and created an 'Antichrist' on the off chance that if indeed the Jews promised messiah did come about, that all of Christendom would see that person as being the Antichrist and reject whatever that individual said or did as being 'of the devil'.
One weakness of the story is in the fact that if the Messiah the Jews are hoping for does not manifest then Jesus cannot return.
This is not really a problem because those who made up the stories did so in order to have power and influence and control over the millions and millions of poor hopeful people who gravitate and cling to such stories because of their positions in life as a subspecies to the rich and powerful rulers who made up the stories and presented the stories as factual and from G()D.
So Jew and Gentile alike - equal in their poor positions - have been hoodwinked.
There will be no 'Messiah'. One cannot make true from fabrication.
But wait!
Actually, one can if one has loads of $$. It is plausible that an actor could portray the part of Messiah and bring about by degree the fulfillment of prophesy. It is called
"Manifest Destiny" and has worked in the past and simply requires the backing of $$ and a bit of staging.
The problem being that the Romans put a spanner in the works so the Christians will yell 'Anti-Christ!' and what the Muslims will do I can't say.
But generally the world will be (as usual) desperate enough to pin their hopes on this Messiah figure and lend its support.
The whole thing is built around the rich maintaining their hold over the bulk of human consciousness and keeping their G()D-given place in the scheme of things.
The better option would be to simply invest wealth into making the world a better place for everyone and ditch the 'Messiah Complex' altogether.
That would require a re-think on the part of the uber-rich but not only they. Also the poor have to stop with their 'poor-me' victim mentalities and somewhere in the middle both 'sides' have to see the bigger picture and ditch the beliefs of the ancients altogether and stop looking to the skies or any religion for their salvation.
Forget the fabrication of 'The Messiah' and sort it out ourselves.
That would be good.
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