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So what? I don't engage in comparative religion or speculative "what if" history scenarios. Christians draw close to God as Christians, Jews draw close to God as Jews. We are all beloved children of the Creator. May loving kindness pour forth in the world.
I don't have anything against it but this statement doesn't seem to sit too well with the very basic Jewish belief - "only Jews will go to heaven."
How can Christians draw close to God if they are destined to hell, from a JEWISH stand point?
That is refreshing on the face of things but it is not like that across the board. TFF for example appears to express problems with Jesus and Christianity, so you should understand the confusion this can create for those looking into how religions organize themselves.
I have no problem with Chrstianity, as long as Jews steer clear of it. It's the religion of Chrstians.
Yoshka
an irreverent name for Jesus Christ
a Yiddish diminutive form of Jesus' Hebrew name
Yoshke Panderik or Yoshke Pandre. A book called "Toldot Yeshua" claimed that his father was actually a Roman soldier named "Pandeira," whose identity was hidden by Mary.
I don't have anything against it but this statement doesn't seem to sit too well with the very basic Jewish belief - "only Jews will go to heaven."
How can Christians draw close to God if they are destined to hell, from a JEWISH stand point?
Jews believe only Jews go to heaven?
Can a Jewish person on here comment on this? I mean maybe it's correct but that wasn't my understanding of what Jews think about death.
I thought the main point was that Jews are chosen by God, which isn't necessarily this faboo "you're awesome" thing but rather that the Jews have much more responsibility placed on them, per the laws outlined in Leviticus.
It was my understanding that it's Christians who feel only Christians get into heaven, so I'm wondering whether this isn't a bit of projection? As far as my experience Jews don't run around pointing fingers and telling people to repent and act and do like them in order to avoid hell. For the most part Jews just leave other people alone - again, in my experience.
As far as the mohsiach, I believe that was the Jews' creation so don't they make the rules on what sort of man he'll be, how he'll act and the things he will do? That's just my opinion, though. I have always thought it a little bizarre that non-Jews would hijack the Jewish religion, change it (i.e. what has been "fulfilled" and what hasn't, the casual throwing away of old, apparently extremely important laws, etc. with unsupportable disclaimers that certain as yet unfulfilled predictions will come later...etc.) and say the new way was the right way all along. That doesn't seem weird to anybody else?
As far as the mohsiach, I believe that was the Jews' creation so don't they make the rules on what sort of man he'll be, how he'll act and the things he will do? That's just my opinion, though. I have always thought it a little bizarre that non-Jews would hijack the Jewish religion, change it (i.e. what has been "fulfilled" and what hasn't, the casual throwing away of old, apparently extremely important laws, etc. with unsupportable disclaimers that certain as yet unfulfilled predictions will come later...etc.) and say the new way was the right way all along. That doesn't seem weird to anybody else?
The Moshiach was God's creation, interpreted by the ancient Jews in accord with their circumstances and needs at the time. They selected the things THEY thought were the prophecies according to THEIR expectations and desires. This is using prophecy as divination which is specifically forbidden. Prophecy is revealed by events AFTER they occur. It is not to be used predictively. We have the advantage of using it properly by looking back at events after they occurred and seeing what was prophesied. The Jews missed the Messiah because they were looking predictively according to THEIR expectations. They still are.
Can a Jewish person on here comment on this? I mean maybe it's correct but that wasn't my understanding of what Jews think about death.
...As far as my experience Jews don't run around pointing fingers and telling people to repent and act and do like them in order to avoid hell. For the most part Jews just leave other people alone - again, in my experience.
Jewish person here
no that is NOT correct. GoCardinals post stated an error, a deception, and is incorrect.
your understanding is correct: Judaism recognizes other religions as valid path to God. For this reason, Judaism does not proselytize or seek converts.
to state otherwise is a deception
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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
this statement doesn't seem to sit too well with the very basic Jewish belief - "only Jews will go to heaven."
How can Christians draw close to God if they are destined to hell, from a JEWISH stand point?
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
if that is what Islam teaches you, then you have been deceived
Jewish person here
no that is NOT correct. GoCardinals post stated an error, a deception, and is incorrect.
your understanding is correct: Judaism recognizes other religions as valid path to God. For this reason, Judaism does not proselytize or seek converts.
What if Jesus was God, and there is no son of God? If that is true, then God came into the world to give testimony to Jews (his chosen people). Also, God (Jesus) did not intend to start a new religion. God, doesn't micro-manage. Followers of Jesus came up with narrative stories that changed Jews perception of Jesus. If you read those gospels written prior to the NT gospels you don't find those narrative stories (Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is tempted by the devil, John baptizes Jesus, Jesus drives out devils, Jesus heals many, Jesus walks on water, etc.). Apparently, those stories were added to gain support for the Jesus movement. Here is an excellent source for those ideas, The Lost Gospel Q by Burton L. Mack. I believe Revelation 11 about the two witnesses (God's duality) is the best story about Jesus. I know this is a huge stretch for many because no one, except myself, believes God is a duality.
If what I am saying is true, it would change a lot. We would have almost two thousand years of a false religion, Christianity. It would mean Jesus, "the son of God," is a pagan god. Oh, Oh, that is blasphemy, I am in big trouble now. What would happen to Jesus (God). Well, it appears as if he would be just one of those prophets or a wise men crying in the wilderness. Jesus (God) wasn't accepted by Jews then, so why would it be any different now?
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That's just my opinion, though. I have always thought it a little bizarre that non-Jews would hijack the Jewish religion, change it (i.e. what has been "fulfilled" and what hasn't, the casual throwing away of old, apparently extremely important laws, etc. with unsupportable disclaimers that certain as yet unfulfilled predictions will come later...etc.) and say the new way was the right way all along. 
