Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
They can start their own exclusive group for gay Christians. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with a religious group setting their own creed and leadership standards? I wouldn't expect to be welcome at a college Satanist group and I'm perfectly fine with that.
Separate but equal. Got it. (I don't think that worked out well in the past.)
Separate but equal. Got it. (I don't think that worked out well in the past.)
That's what far-right conservatives and fundamentalists want. They loved separate but equal when it meant segregation by race and they want it now to segregate the LGBT community and deny them rights, services, jobs and housing.
They also want the 14th Amendment trashed because they can't stand the thought that the LGBT community has rights as citizens. They are the 2015 version of segregationists. Some are just too dang dumb to understand how this country works. Some are just to dang filled with anti-LGBT prejudice to care.
Separate but equal. Got it. (I don't think that worked out well in the past.)
Equality in everything, aka socialism. Got it. In the past, separate but equal was taken to such an extreme as separate water fountains. Hardly comparable.
That's what far-right conservatives and fundamentalists want. They loved separate but equal when it meant segregation by race and they want it now to segregate the LGBT community and deny them rights, services, jobs and housing.
They also want the 14th Amendment trashed because they can't stand the thought that the LGBT community has rights as citizens. They are the 2015 version of segregationists. Some are just too dang dumb to understand how this country works. Some are just to dang filled with anti-LGBT prejudice to care.
Which doesn't address the basic moral argument that it is wrong to force Christians to go against their beliefs, on college campus or not.
But it is not wrong to force them to follow the laws. Laws which their religion does not magically make them exempt from. Despite how you like to pretend it should.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffbase40
They are put of out business for a law that is too vague and over encompassing.
As I said many times before, I agree with you to a point. I do not particularly like the law myself. I think an owner of a private business should have the right to trade with, or not, anyone they see fit.
But the law is the law.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Would you have made that same law then? No, you would say we should fight against unjust laws.
I would fight unjust laws but ensure they are followed while they are the law. Which is what you should be doing here. If you disagree with the law, then fight it. But WHILE it is the law do not coming running on here screaming and ranting about Christians being persecuted.... because they in full knowledge of the law chose to break it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Besides, I thought you said you supported the Christian business owners in this situation. Doesn't take much to change your tune.
No tune has been changed. I am still saying the same things about the law I always have been. Perhaps it is your understanding of it that has changed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Although I hardly called it support anyways when you also said you would enjoy watching them go out of business and suffer.
I would love to see racists and bigots go out of business and the money go instead to people in business who are not racists and bigots. Yes.
Equality in everything, aka socialism. Got it. In the past, separate but equal was taken to such an extreme as separate water fountains. Hardly comparable.
Which is what Jesus taught, was it not?
If not, chapter and verse that supoorts capitalism..
That's what far-right conservatives and fundamentalists want. They loved separate but equal when it meant segregation by race and they want it now to segregate the LGBT community and deny them rights, services, jobs and housing.
They also want the 14th Amendment trashed because they can't stand the thought that the LGBT community has rights as citizens. They are the 2015 version of segregationists. Some are just too dang dumb to understand how this country works. Some are just to dang filled with anti-LGBT prejudice to care.
Not when your 14 Amendment rights trashes our 1st Amendment rights. We simply believe all people are equal human beings. Sexual orientation doesn't identify a person. We don't believe that a group should get special rights because they choose to identify that way and engage in immoral lifestyles. A special right would be demanding a business service your wedding.
Not when your 14 Amendment rights trashes our 1st Amendment rights.
Again. I urge you to go your local community college and enroll in a civics/American government class. You have no idea how this country works, you don't understand the Constitution or the Amendments and you continue to show your ignorance.
Not when your 14 Amendment rights trashes our 1st Amendment rights. We simply believe all people are equal human beings. Sexual orientation doesn't identify a person. We don't believe that a group should get special rights because they choose to identify that way and engage in immoral lifestyles. A special right would be demanding a business service your wedding.
I fail to see any "special" rights that this grants. What legal protection does a homosexual have that you don't?
A homosexual can now marry someone of either gender, and you could marry someone of either gender. Nothing special there...
Under certain applicable state and local laws, homosexuals cannot be discriminated against based on their orientation. Under those same laws, you cannot be discriminated against based on your orientation.
Nothing special there...
The only reason you see these protections as "special" is that you take them for granted. You want your rights protected and others' rights not to be protected, which is a case of "special rights"
Case in point, it was pretty much crickets in here when Somali Muslims were not allowed to ban dags and alcohol from their cabs. In fact, many Christians were up in arms about "sharia law", and were adamant that Muslims not be allowed to use their freedom of religion to impose those religious rules on others...
-NoCapo
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
