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After the bakery owners went to the Internet to raise money, the court has decided that that same couple and bakery owners owe the lesbian couple who they denied a wedding cake, $135,000.
Maybe that finally sends the message that no you cannot discriminate against same sex marriage or those who are LBQT.
Of course we can expect outrage by some of the religious fundamentalist around the country. Get into the 21st century, because the rest the world really doesn't care.
Lol, give me a break.
The outrage you speak of will come from people who see this for what it was--a mean-spirited attack by gays looking for trouble. They smell a Christian, and get down to business.
Thankfully, there are ways around bakers and florists not only compromising their religious beliefs but also being forced into contracts. One local photographer reincorporated, and now he photographs only Catholic weddings. Another couple who own a bakery couldn't care less who buys their cakes and decorative "toppers" (Want two male figurines? Fine with them!) and adds to their coffers, but they're no longer catering, delivering, or decorating. They sold their refrigerated van and couldn't be happier.
I don't care what the law says or what the courts say, that's not what this discussion is about. Laws and courts can be wrong. We can disagree with them. This discussion is about principle.
Should someone be forced to participate, either directly or indirectly, in an event that runs counter to their morals, views, or religious beliefs?
Yes they should if they are selling a legal service. Does the flour supplier have the right to refuse to sell flour to a bakery that makes cakes for same sex marriage. Does a business have to obey environmental or health and safety laws that run against their beliefs, of course they do. No law is useful if only those who agree with it have to obey it. Now county clerks are refusing to issue license for SSM even upon order by the governor. Is SSM so horrible that everyone has the right to interfere or discriminate against it?
And why is all of a sudden the discussion is ignoring the legality of the issue? The judgement was based on the breaking of the law. Although legal I think it was immoral for the baker to tell the mother her children were abominations. But the protection against discrimination is a legal issue and states without sexual orientation in the law the baker would not be breaking the law hence no punishment.
The outrage you speak of will come from people who see this for what it was--a mean-spirited attack by gays looking for trouble. They smell a Christian, and get down to business.
Thankfully, there are ways around bakers and florists not only compromising their religious beliefs but also being forced into contracts. One local photographer reincorporated, and now he photographs only Catholic weddings. Another couple who own a bakery couldn't care less who buys their cakes and decorative "toppers" (Want two male figurines? Fine with them!) and adds to their coffers, but they're no longer catering, delivering, or decorating. They sold their refrigerated van and couldn't be happier.
Too bad, so sad...for the control freaks.
Nice that you avoid the facts of the case and make false claims against the women involved. If you are a Christian you may want to check out the ten commandments as you just broke the one about false testimony. Or maybe you just like to falsely accuse people you do not know just for the fun of it. The testimony of the one woman, her mother and the baker proves you are wrongly accusing the women of attacking Christians.
For all of these "Christian business/government-employee refuses to provide service/product to gays", all you have to do is replace 'Christian' with 'Muslim' and 'gays' with 'Christians' (I was going to say 'women', but more than a few of the resident Neanderthals might not get it then) and consider how the usual suspects would respond.
And we all know how they'd respond.
Thus, they want special privileges that apply only to them - the right to discriminate in the name of their religion, and the freedom from being discriminated against by anyone else in the name of the other person's religion.
And they know it, which is the reason for all the feigned obtuseness. They have no principles, only "I want my way!".
The outrage you speak of will come from people who see this for what it was--a mean-spirited attack by gays looking for trouble. They smell a Christian, and get down to business.
Thankfully, there are ways around bakers and florists not only compromising their religious beliefs but also being forced into contracts. One local photographer reincorporated, and now he photographs only Catholic weddings. Another couple who own a bakery couldn't care less who buys their cakes and decorative "toppers" (Want two male figurines? Fine with them!) and adds to their coffers, but they're no longer catering, delivering, or decorating. They sold their refrigerated van and couldn't be happier.
Too bad, so sad...for the control freaks.
No the "gays" were looking for a cake. They went to a bakery that they had personal experience with.
I don't care what the law says or what the courts say, that's not what this discussion is about. Laws and courts can be wrong. We can disagree with them. This discussion is about principle.
Should someone be forced to participate, either directly or indirectly, in an event that runs counter to their morals, views, or religious beliefs?
I didn't start this thread and neither did you, but I'm pretty sure it's about the ruling which is all about laws and courts and their decisions and impact.
The principle doesn't matter in this legal case.
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