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So Jesus has the last supper on Thursday evening, goes to Gethsemane, gets arrested, has six trials with a scourging in between, is seen by Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas and gets crucified by 9 on Friday morning (although one source puts it at midday) after being made to do the death march through Jerusalem carrying the patibulum to Golgotha outside of Jerusalem.
This seems like an very short time for all those events to take place in. Bear in mind there were two others being crucified as well and those two had to be scourged too.
So Jesus has the last supper on Thursday evening, goes to Gethsemane, gets arrested, has six trials with a scourging in between, is seen by Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas and gets crucified by 9 on Friday morning (although one source puts it at midday) after being made to do the death march through Jerusalem carrying the patibulum to Golgotha outside of Jerusalem.
This seems like an very short time for all those events to take place in. Bear in mind there were two others being crucified as well and those two had to be scourged too.
I'd say that fits into the time -scale neatly enough, especially if Pilate was already involved ever since the temple dust -up and thus the Sanhedrin trial is myth and at best was a preliminary questioning by the High Priest as per John, and the trial was hardly the formal affair with Pilate trying to release Jesus and the "Jews" baying for his blood. It was all done with swift Roman efficiency. Indeed, apart from time to kill till it was dawn, the crucifixion was only prolonged from before midday to dusk because you can last for hours, or days, even on the nails. Unless the legs are broken.
I'd say that fits into the time -scale neatly enough, especially if Pilate was already involved ever since the temple dust -up and thus the Sanhedrin trial is myth and at best was a preliminary questioning by the High Priest as per John, and the trial was hardly the formal affair with Pilate trying to release Jesus and the "Jews" baying for his blood. It was all done with swift Roman efficiency. Indeed, apart from time to kill till it was dawn, the crucifixion was only prolonged from before midday to dusk because you can last for hours, or days, even on the nails. Unless the legs are broken.
Even assuming Roman swiftness, it seems unreasonable that Jesus would have been arrested around midnight and been crucified by midday. However, a midday crucifixion would mean only three hours on the cross which would make the swoon hypothesis seem more plausible.
The bible states that the three were crucified together and implies a morning crucifixion which seems more reasonable but that would make the trial and flogging a tight squeeze.
Even assuming Roman swiftness, it seems unreasonable that Jesus would have been arrested around midnight and been crucified by midday. However, a midday crucifixion would mean only three hours on the cross which would make the swoon hypothesis seem more plausible.
The bible states that the three were crucified together and implies a morning crucifixion which seems more reasonable but that would make the trial and flogging a tight squeeze.
It depends upon how much Pilate was in the know. Cut the sanhedrin trial; cut the trial before Pilate and say that he already knew charge and verdict. Say he'd had the crosses knocked up while Jesus was in jail awaiting the dawn. The victims could be up on the crosses my midday, no problem. There is too much in the gospel account that can be questioned, and that means I at least can't take the gospel text as reliable clues.
Mind, if you are going to create a time -line as if the accounts were reliable, then you'd either have to find some way of compromising discrepancies or interpreting terms to mean something else (like out pal interpreting 'sabbath' to mean something oter than 'saturday' or deciding that someone's account is wrong.
Clearly (for example) John has no Sanhedrin trial. That contradicts the Synoptic story (which I regard as One account, not three). since the Sanhedrin trial makes no sense in itself and is just there to turn the actual charge (sedition) into an anachronistic Jewish - blasphemy charge - all part of shifting the blame to the Jews - the sanhedrin trial can safely be binned. Saves a lot of time.
So Jesus has the last supper on Thursday evening, goes to Gethsemane, gets arrested, has six trials with a scourging in between, is seen by Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas and gets crucified by 9 on Friday morning (although one source puts it at midday) after being made to do the death march through Jerusalem carrying the patibulum to Golgotha outside of Jerusalem.
This seems like an very short time for all those events to take place in. Bear in mind there were two others being crucified as well and those two had to be scourged too.
It was just one other crucified that day in one account (canon) that wasn't burned to be removed from history based on the few hundred Bishops who involved themselves in such "heretical practice" of sanctifying new holy books, I believe.
I never knew that. I always thought it was forever three crosses. Can you elaborate?
As to timeline, I suggest it goes like this. (open to debate)
John the Baptist calls to repentance (Peraea side of the Jordan. Antipas' territory, out of the Roman remit, but too near Nabatea for anything that even looked like disaffection. Josephus explains that John was very critical of Antipas and Antipas and Aretas the Nabatean were moving towards hostilities. Antipas acts.
Jesus, who joined the baptist, skips back to Galilee and begins his own messianic mission. This is evidently announced at Bethsaida, to a considerable number of men (Matthew adds in women and children, but nobody else does).
September -october Jesus and his following set out for Peraea and after a short pause there (I suspect to gather yet more support) he sets out for Jerusalem.
Wednesday He arrives at Bethany and is anointed by Mary Magdalene at the supper.
Next morning, (John) he collects the donkey (placed by arrangement, of course) and proceeds down the way to Herod's bridge to the Temple as a Hoshanah procession. That places it at Tabernacles (1) and not Passover and explains how Jesus and his followers were able to get into the Temple under the noses of the heavy Roman festival guard.
Thursday It is clear (despite gospel fudging) that the temple takeover happens immediately. What Pilate does then isn't clear, but a furious response is to be expected. There are hints in Luke 13.1 and John 7.3 and 59 that Pilate slaughtered Jesus' followers and Jesus (John mentions "Tabernacles") hid and slips out of the temple.
Friday It may be that Pilate follows them to Gethsemane where there is a fight (hinted at and watered down in various ways by the gospels) and Jesus is taken. Perhaps interrogated by the High priest, but in any case, after a flogging, crucified next morning, along with aat least two other insurrectionists and probably more. And it might even be that the seamless robe - a borrowed Temple ephod - is true.
Of course, I could be wrong.
(1) Sukkhot is Autumn and Pesach in Spring. It follows that nobody was eating Passover or slaughtering Lambs (Oxen, yes) during that week, so dickering about Passover is pointless.
That certainly shows how much it doesn't harmonize. I couldn't check whether John's temple -cleansing had been restored or a Gap left where it ought to be because some damn' advert for mountain -bikes popped up.
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