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Let's get some perspective. Last night I was lucid dreaming and it dawned on me that we are thinking about things backward. That the thoughts are a product of the mind, and our dreams being random synapses firing... nah, that's not right. We have basically full function in dreams if we can keep Adhd in check. Meanwhile with all the rules and limits of this world, it seems like this world is the fake. That rather than the mind being product of the body, the body is a "dream" of the mind. Thoughts?
It's not an actionable thought IMO. If we can't wake up from the dream then the dream has to be treated as real. If there's no information about the supposedly "real" world then it might as well not exist.
Of course then along will come somebody purporting to show you how to "wake up". And I'll believe that person when the person who wakes up disappears before my eyes.
That's a thought that we give ourselves. Like the idea that if you're not sure it's a dream, pinch yourself, and pain means it's real. But besides Hollywood, this appears to be nonsense. How real is pain? I'm pretty sure there's VR simulations that can produce "pain" with no actual injury. These sensations don't necessarily prove reality, only the preconceptions we have been taught.
There's a (Buddhist?) saying "am I a butterfly dreaming I'm a human, or a human dreaming I'm a butterfly?"
Regarding waking up. We during our "waking hours" have a specific sign off period, called dreaming. And a sign on period called waking up. But there are things called night terrors where you cannot control the impulse to wake up and are stuck in the dream until it ends. And certain medicine makes you fall asleep without remembering doing so. I've had it happen during a dental appointment, they gave me some sort of medicine, I never felt the prick, they're like "now we'll start the process... and now we're done." And I literally blinked. If we can go to sleep without remembering, likewise waking up is an added part. Besides, I've had nested dreams where I "woke up" but was still dreaming only to wake again.
Let's get some perspective. Last night I was lucid dreaming and it dawned on me that we are thinking about things backward. That the thoughts are a product of the mind, and our dreams being random synapses firing... nah, that's not right. We have basically full function in dreams if we can keep Adhd in check. Meanwhile with all the rules and limits of this world, it seems like this world is the fake. That rather than the mind being product of the body, the body is a "dream" of the mind. Thoughts?
If we can't wake up from the dream then the dream has to be treated as real. If there's no information about the supposedly "real" world then it might as well not exist.
there is plenty of of information about the "real" world, which is the life and activities of the soul.
we wake up from the dream when we begin to explore and live our daily life from our soul perspective, which is the eternal part of ourselves currently wearing a temporary physical body. it's like putting on and taking off a coat. the soul puts on and takes off the physical body.
it is the person who rejects and refuses to explore this other part of themselves, their own soul, that stays stuck in the very confining limited dreary place of "the physical world is all there is"
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think of one of those computer games with, say, 50 or 60 levels, where you have to pick up the treasures, or know the secrets, or acquire the skills to get to the next level. Each level up and up and up is more and more interesting and engaging and fun.
a person is still stuck on the first level if they say the physical world is all there is. no wonder people turn cynical and bitter and bored and frustrated. it's not fun to stay on the same level going round and round. there are all sorts of clues and hints and even outright instructions to get to the next level.
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it seems like this world is the fake. That rather than the mind being product of the body, the body is a "dream" of the mind. Thoughts?
yes that is correct
and that is why we are told so often that if we want to change our life, we have to change our thoughts
it is our thoughts and feelings that create our reality
literally
the good news is that puts us in the drivers seat in terms of having immense power to change something if we don't like it
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Let's get some perspective. Last night I was lucid dreaming and it dawned on me that we are thinking about things backward. That the thoughts are a product of the mind, and our dreams being random synapses firing... nah, that's not right. We have basically full function in dreams if we can keep Adhd in check. Meanwhile with all the rules and limits of this world, it seems like this world is the fake. That rather than the mind being product of the body, the body is a "dream" of the mind. Thoughts?
The Mind is the domain of the Internal, True Self, in waking life it is working in conjunction with the external self, the body. Truth is we are gods of our bodily/external realm, everything that exist in the outside world exist in us in some form or matter, we have all the elements in our bodies, for the most part however, were ignorant to our minds and bodies.
The "null hypothesis" would be: the world we perceive to be real is real.
Evidence would be needed to show otherwise.
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