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The Holy Spirit is in the Old Testament from Genesis 1: 2 says ``And the spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.
Then why does it not just say the Holy Spirit if it is a distinct entity?...Why does it say the "Spirit OF G-d"?...What it is saying is the G-d has a spirit...So, how did it come to pass that His spirit became a separate entity?...
No. Polytheism is defined as multiple gods. The Trinity is 1 God and ONLY 1 God.
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Then why does it not just say the Holy Spirit if it is a distinct entity?...Why does it say the "Spirit OF G-d"?...What it is saying is the G-d has a spirit...So, how did it come to pass that His spirit became a separate entity?...
In Acts 5 The Holy Spirit was lied to. It DOES refer to Him as "The Holy Spirit"
ACts 5:3 "Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? "
Then, why the three different names? Does God have a split personality?
3 personalities would indicate 1 person, with 3 functions. That would probably be considered modalism.
There are 3 persons within that 1 God. We know from Scripture that there can be ONLY 1 God. Christians do not believe in many Gods -- we believe in ONLY 1 God. But in Scripture we see the Father referred to as God, the Son referred to as God, and the Spirit referred to as God.
We know they are separate persons because there are times when we see all 3 of them appearing at the same time -- such as the baptism of Jesus. If they were simply different manifestations of 1 God then it couldn't have shown Jesus rising from the water at the same time as God spoke, while the Spirit descended.
We all know the Holy Spirit is part of the trinity, but is it real? There is no trinity in Judaism, the religion of God’s chosen people. Does it really come from God? I believe there is no son of God or Holy Spirit, but who really knows? There is little mention of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, at least not as a source of authority or power. For hundreds of years, preachers, priests, bishops, and even Popes, have claimed divine knowledge from the Holy Spirit. What do you think, does the Holy Spirit come from God, or is it the invention of church leaders?
Since you're looking for opinions, I'll throw mine in as a former Christian who used to accept the traditional teaching that the Holy Spirit was the third person of the Trinity/God.
As I see it now, it's not 'the' Holy Spirit, it's a holy spirit. It's the spirit or attitude of love which, when it reigns in us ("the kingdom/reign of God is within you") produces righteousness, peace and joy. It is that reign of love within us (holy spirit) that comforts us and leads us into all truth.
If God is love, then a "holy spirit" is simply God manifesting Godself in and through us.
3 personalities would indicate 1 person, with 3 functions. That would probably be considered modalism.
There are 3 persons within that 1 God. We know from Scripture that there can be ONLY 1 God. Christians do not believe in many Gods -- we believe in ONLY 1 God. But in Scripture we see the Father referred to as God, the Son referred to as God, and the Spirit referred to as God.
We know they are separate persons because there are times when we see all 3 of them appearing at the same time -- such as the baptism of Jesus. If they were simply different manifestations of 1 God then it couldn't have shown Jesus rising from the water at the same time as God spoke, while the Spirit descended.
If they are separate persons, then that is polytheism.
We all know the Holy Spirit is part of the trinity, but is it real? There is no trinity in Judaism, the religion of God’s chosen people. Does it really come from God? I believe there is no son of God or Holy Spirit, but who really knows? There is little mention of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, at least not as a source of authority or power. For hundreds of years, preachers, priests, bishops, and even Popes, have claimed divine knowledge from the Holy Spirit. What do you think, does the Holy Spirit come from God, or is it the invention of church leaders?
Actually, it is not correct. It is in Judaism, it only depends how you look at it:
TRIUNITY IN TANAKH (Old Testament)
While it is universally admitted by both Jews and Christians that God is One and that there is no one beside Him, we are also compelled to acknowledge that the triunity of God is clearly taught in the Torah, the Prophets, and in the Writings --- that is in the whole Tanakh, the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament, & the New Testament. Not only in the Tanakh but also in the Talmudical & Rabbinical writings this concept is well known. Space does not permit us to present proofs from all the sources in this short article. Here we present just a few challenging proofs: THE TORAH:When God (Elohim) create the world He wanted to make absolutely clear to His creation that He is not some abstract mathematical unitarian principle with no analogy in all creation, as some of our philosophers tried to present Him under Aristotelian influence. Instead we read in the holy Torah these words:
[CENTER][CENTER]And (Elohim) said. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,
& over all the earth.Genesis 1:26[/CENTER][/CENTER]
Elohim made man, a being composed of a triunity --- body, soul and spirit, in the image of God;
and to make this more clear God reveals Himself in His plural form of Elohim and says, "Let us make man."
Great Trinities were also known to humanity since the times unknown. It is now new invention.
The greatest trinity of them all is Space+Substance+Consciousness. As everything is in Space (we know nothing of THAT Space) and everything comes out of Substance and everything is determined by Consciousness, as motivating principle of everything existing, spiritual or physical, eternal and not.
Technicality of Holy Spirit is simple to those who know and complicated to explain to those who do not.
Every human has an Immortal Self partially residing in physical body. That immortal Self is of three minds. Mind of Doer, mind of Thinker, and mind of Knower, or noetic mind. Doer mind is one that operates Self's immortal body, composed of the perfectly balanced units and is in the physical. Knower mind is in the Consciousness, in The light of Intelligence. Thinker mind is the mind of Rightness and Reason, the Judge of that Self.
Those are not brains, they are minds. They are aspects of the same mind that is an Immortal Self.
Only Doer mind portion contacts the physical body, existing in the physical world, or on Earth.
Every thought a Doer mind conceives is presented to the Thinker, as Rightness and Reason. Thinker presents it to the Knower mind, one that is in The Light of Intelligence and either approves, or disapproves of that thought, as right or wrong.
That approval or, more so, disapproval, is relayed to Doer as its voice of conscience. That is one's Holy Spirit, one's eternal judge of any thought, as any act is always preceded with a thought.
By aligning one's thoughts with Rightness and Reason, or Holy Spirit, one purifies itSelf and, eventually doer mind reunites with it complete Self in its eternal body, in the Realm of Permanence.
As I said, those who know will understand. Those who don't will augh and mock. Nihil novi ante Sol.
If they are separate persons, then that is polytheism.
Not true. There is only 1 God. At least that's what historical Christianity has taught regarding the Trinity. You can certainly choose to believe otherwise, but this is the Christian doctrinal position as it's been taught since the time of the apostles.
I think the 3 gods-in-1 enigma/conundrum was designed to impress the uneducated masses. I mean, look how cool their new god is! There's 3 of them -- but there's only one!
[quote=Vizio;41931150]No. Polytheism is defined as multiple gods. The Trinity is 1 God and ONLY 1 God.[/qute]
No, it's not...It is three gods in one...Plain and simple...
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In Acts 5 The Holy Spirit was lied to. It DOES refer to Him as "The Holy Spirit".
Well, if you believe what was written, I guess that it is true for you...Doesn't mean that it is true in reality or logic...
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ACts 5:3 "Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? "
I know the verse...
I could state all kinds of things about you in writing, but it doesn't make it true...But, I'll bet there would be a multitude of people that adhere to it as gospel truth....
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