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What I don't understand is why people that don't even believe in the existence of some Omnimax God would be so emotional and upset that this nonexistent God doesn't act?! That doesn't make any sense. Why get all worked up over the inaction of something that isn't real?!
Leave me out of this one. It does not match any thoughts of mine.
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Well, I actually know why we are so upset about it...and I've posted it many times: WE ARE MAD AT OURSELVES!!
Mad is not what I feel when I look at all the evil in the world.
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It isn't the fault of the nonexistent Deities that the child is a rape victim...it is HUMANS conducting as rapists.
Pretty certain that has been my stance all along. I don't hold humanity in high regards if that gives you any clue.
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WE are the "selfish and uncaring Gods" that COULD do something, but DON'T. There are no EVIL DEITIES doing nothing even though they could..there is only US acting that way. Our anger is with ourselves.
Ludicrous. Again I don't feel anger about the evil in this world.
Our lives are not structured to be able to save the world and stop the evil. How can I put my income on hold or my life on hold to go chasing human traffickers? To go to China and free the bears trapped in the hell of the bear bile farms? To stop the evil that I don't even know is occurring? Very unrealistic thinking you have.
Leave me out of this one. It does not match any thoughts of mine.
Mad is not what I feel when I look at all the evil in the world.
Pretty certain that has been my stance all along. I don't hold humanity in high regards if that gives you any clue.
Ludicrous. Again I don't feel anger about the evil in this world.
Our lives are not structured to be able to save the world and stop the evil. How can I put my income on hold or my life on hold to go chasing human traffickers? To go to China and free the bears trapped in the hell of the bear bile farms? To stop the evil that I don't even know is occurring? Very unrealistic thinking you have.
I apologize if I misinterpreted your "spot on" assesment of the posts critical of the inaction of the Deities everyone was begging and praying, praying, praying to (but did nothing to help them) as indicative of your similar thinking.
I agree that it is human nature to be self absorbed and to greatly limit what and who benefits from our efforts and resources.
I guess the Religious could use the same reasoning for Deities not aiding...preoccupied and too busy doing their own thing to help out.
But my base point was: The Deities that are prayed to by sick or vicimized children and others are not real and thus can't do anything. Any crtique of what Deities do or don't do is wasted thought...no matter who does it, but more so by those that endorse a "No Deities Exist" view.
Only we (the collective "we") can help each other...and it is up to those of us (the collective "us") with an abundance, and those in charge of the appropriation of money and effort, to mitigate the suffering.
I have the solution: Make Bernie Sanders (or someone with his mindset) WORLD KING!
All the "sin" in the world is the result of a myriad of reasons.
For the UMPTEENTH time Atheism is not a belief system.
What Atheists are saying is that they don’t choose to believe in religious dogma simply because it’s not sensible. So instead of saying they believe in this or that, they are simply saying is this myth is inconsistent with that myth, and that myth is inconsistent with what we know about the Universe, and that myth is inconsistent with what we know about Evolution and therefore the myths are unlikely to be true thus they choose not to believe in them.
That is all Atheism is…is people saying this is unlikely to be true….it is not a belief system. To compare this as a belief system as what religion is…is a false premise.
Who ever said that faith is an abstract idea? The word faith usually refers to a belief that is held with lack of, in spite of or against reason or evidence.
Your definition of faith is not the Word of God's definition of Faith. Faith as we believers know it, is based on a sure knowledge spoken by God to the spirit not the senses which you apparently rely too heavily upon when referring to spiritual matters and that in and of itself makes you unqualified to speak about spiritual matters as pertaining to the Kingdom of Heaven.
You say that we believe in a myth but on what evidence do you make such an arrogant statement seeing that you have not experienced the Glory of the Kingdom as we have. In reality it is your lack of experiencing what we have that makes you unqualified to make any comment.
The reason I said Faith is thought of as an abstract idea to many is because the many that I am referring to do not think of it as an evidence of God but rather a something without reason as you have stated or just an opinion as you or others suggest. The fact is, Faith is not a physical evidence but it is a spiritual evidence that does speak to the other parts of our makeup as humans who possess mind, soul and spirit besides a body of five senses. However, we do have a freewill to brush it off in favor of a self life rather than denying self in favor of a God guided Life. The self life [living predominantly by the senses/sensual] has not led to a better life but rather to a world filled with war, murder, rape, and all kinds of evil. All based on unbelief and the lack of fear of God's final judgment to those who pollute the world with excess sin. Faith in God connects us to all that is good and gives to those who will receive, His unspeakable Gift of Eternal Life, not the limited life of the senses tossed to and fro by a fallen human spirit
The spiritual sense of love, joy and wisdom is not of the senses. Spiritual sense is unprovable by the senses and yet they exist and are proof of our being more than a physical being and not a myth. Where do you suppose that spiritual senses came from. You did not create them, your mother did not, and they did not come from chemical mixes. The so called Big Bang nor did Evolution spew forth the love, joy, and wisdom that we have been gifted with but limited in measure if without God. The measure we were intended to receive comes only by being connected to the source. Like it or not, that is the way it is. God is not in the business of giving the greater Glory to those who want to expend it selflessly for ego sake.
I have the solution: Make Bernie Sanders (or someone with his mindset) WORLD KING!
I don't know if you were just being facetious in thinking Bernie Sanders (or someone with his mindset) could solve the evil in the world.
The Soviet Union already tried to make everyone equal in their country via Communism, yet we see how miserably that has failed. It also has failed in socialist China. In China, in 2011 there were 2.41 million homeless adults and 179,000 under-aged homeless individuals and kids," says Cheng Fucai.
As of 2015 China has 213 billionaires and Russia has 88 billionaires. There are still the have's and have nots within those countries.
Canada has a form of socialism and it seems to work pretty good there. Yet there are over 230,000 homeless people per year in Canada according to the 2014 statistics according to Infographic. So we know socialism doesn't work.
Capitalism in the United States also leaves many homeless as we all know too well. in January 2012 annual point-in-time count found that 633,782 people across America were homeless
I have given of my money to help starving children in other countries. In 2015 I believe there was over 8,000 tons of food given to starving people around the world. So why are people still starving? I don't know and I don't have a solution. I just know neither Bernie Sanders nor someone with his mindset who would be made king of the world would be able to solve the problem.
I apologize if I misinterpreted your "spot on" assesment of the posts critical of the inaction of the Deities everyone was begging and praying, praying, praying to (but did nothing to help them) as indicative of your similar thinking.
Spot on with the overall assessment. I don't feel anger...I feel like an Earthbound Misfit that does not belong on a planet with so much darkness.
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I agree that it is human nature to be self absorbed and to greatly limit what and who benefits from our efforts and resources.
I completely disagree with this. It is not human nature for most to be self-absorbed...perhaps leave that title to the teens and self-absorbed unconscionable folks.
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I guess the Religious could use the same reasoning for Deities not aiding...preoccupied and too busy doing their own thing to help out.
Disagree. You seem to not understand that people have to work if they are not independently wealthy to the point of not having to work. People must survive by working to earn wages to survive in this doggy dog world. That's the dream that was created 1000's of years ago. People who work can't just abandon their work and go out to try and help stop suffering. That's a full time job for an entire lifetime. This is why we have full time agencies such the Military, FBI, CIA, FDA, DEA, Human Rights Activists, Shelters, Soup Kitchens, Charities, Foundations etc. that can aide those in need and go after the evil ones. However there is too much evil for these agencies to conquer...and these guys are at it full time all year round.
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Only we (the collective "we") can help each other...and it is up to those of us (the collective "us") with an abundance, and those in charge of the appropriation of money and effort, to mitigate the suffering.
I think a lot of us are doing all that we can do within our means.
People have been saying the same thing for 100's of years...let's help each other. But as you can see the suffering and evil are at such an insurmountable level that we collectively have not been able to stop it...how many 100's of years have humans been dealing with this problem and we have not even made a dent.
As long has there are humans, there will ALWAYS be evil, suffering, inhumane acts of violence against other humans, animals and plants. This is the reality of the doggy dog world we live in unfortunately.
And as the world population continues to explode we will just see more and more of it.
Anyway I have to run...it's time to bring in the New Year! Wishing you the best!
I'm Theist relative to a Generic Source God entity.
I'm Atheist relative to Religious Deity entities.
I used to be full Atheist...when I limited my perception of God to just Religious Deities. Once I opened my mind up beyond that blinkered and biased perception...I gained greater knowledge and understanding.
lets see, if the biosphere is life and that is what believers are feeling as "that big thing" then it did everything. evidence? well it should be simple enough to see from that point of view.
I don't know if you were just being facetious in thinking Bernie Sanders (or someone with his mindset) could solve the evil in the world.
The Soviet Union already tried to make everyone equal in their country via Communism, yet we see how miserably that has failed. It also has failed in socialist China. In China, in 2011 there were 2.41 million homeless adults and 179,000 under-aged homeless individuals and kids," says Cheng Fucai.
As of 2015 China has 213 billionaires and Russia has 88 billionaires. There are still the have's and have nots within those countries.
Canada has a form of socialism and it seems to work pretty good there. Yet there are over 230,000 homeless people per year in Canada according to the 2014 statistics according to Infographic. So we know socialism doesn't work.
Capitalism in the United States also leaves many homeless as we all know too well. in January 2012 annual point-in-time count found that 633,782 people across America were homeless
I have given of my money to help starving children in other countries. In 2015 I believe there was over 8,000 tons of food given to starving people around the world. So why are people still starving? I don't know and I don't have a solution. I just know neither Bernie Sanders nor someone with his mindset who would be made king of the world would be able to solve the problem.
I was being facetious....it would require making ME the King of The World. LOL!
That aside. There is obviously enough to go around for everyone.
The only reason any are wanting is the greed and selfishness of others.
Most will not admit they fit those descriptors...but that is just guilt issues.
I KNOW I could share more...that I don't is PROOF of my greed.
OTOH...this world has many BILLIONAIRES as you noted. While millions starve. And THAT is demonstrative of the ultimate greed!
Matadora was right...most can't do much of any real effect. But if you have a Billion or Billions...you can make a BIG difference.
I was being facetious....it would require making ME the King of The World. LOL!
Not being facetious but . . . if you ruled as well as you write, you would make a great ruler. And I'm not talking about the ruler with inches on it.
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That aside. There is obviously enough to go around for everyone.
The only reason any are wanting is the greed and selfishness of others.
Most will not admit they fit those descriptors...but that is just guilt issues.
I KNOW I could share more...that I don't is PROOF of my greed.
OTOH...this world has many BILLIONAIRES as you noted. While millions starve. And THAT is demonstrative of the ultimate greed!
Matadora was right...most can't do much of any real effect. But if you have a Billion or Billions...you can make a BIG difference.
I understand. But people have given billions upon billions of dollars to feed the poor. I surmise it would take trillions and trillions of dollars to not just feed the poor but keep them fed and clothed and housed. It would probably bankrupt the nations and then we would all be in a horrible mess. But I do understand what you are saying. I do wish more could be done. After all, they are our brothers and sisters too.
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