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Old 01-01-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Many of us who have sex early and often only do so by appreciating the whole person. I have never, not would I ever, be with a female partner just for her body. There has to be an intellectual stimulation first.
I was a fundamentalist until my mid 30s and so went the whole chastity-before-marriage route and I can't say that it had a salutary influence on the quality of my sex life -- or really a significant bad effect. Of course that's always the problem with such claims ... they always have a sample size of one and you can never rerun the experiment with different variables for a given individual.

Theist or not, it seems to me that the basic problem with human sexuality is that it's complex and nuanced and not at all static as to what influences it -- and then for a given individual there's rather poor context to judge the quality of their own sexual experience, as you have little to compare it to but the bravado of others with a huge motivation to save face and a huge element of dumb luck in their own outcomes. What it comes down to is that if there's not much of an impedance mismatch between what you hoped for and what you got ... or if there are some aspects that exceeded your expectations ... then you can claim success and attribute it to anything from following religious proscriptions to the size of your zotz.
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Old 01-01-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I'm out of reps for you but good post! So true.
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Old 01-01-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: New Yawk
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I was a fundamentalist until my mid 30s and so went the whole chastity-before-marriage route and I can't say that it had a salutary influence on the quality of my sex life -- or really a significant bad effect. Of course that's always the problem with such claims ... they always have a sample size of one and you can never rerun the experiment with different variables for a given individual.

Theist or not, it seems to me that the basic problem with human sexuality is that it's complex and nuanced and not at all static as to what influences it -- and then for a given individual there's rather poor context to judge the quality of their own sexual experience, as you have little to compare it to but the bravado of others with a huge motivation to save face and a huge element of dumb luck in their own outcomes. What it comes down to is that if there's not much of an impedance mismatch between what you hoped for and what you got ... or if there are some aspects that exceeded your expectations ... then you can claim success and attribute it to anything from following religious proscriptions to the size of your zotz.
Exactly; it perpetuated the idea that following a certain formula will prevent negative outcomes. But life just doesn't pan out that way! You can do everything "right" and still wind up in a miserable marriage to an incompatible spouse, or do everything "wrong" and wind up blissfully happy with the best friend and lover that we all hope to have.

If abstaining is important to you, then by all means do so! I believe it all comes down to staying to true to your values, without denigrating the values of others. What's right for you as a couple is not right for everyone else. For us, abstaining would have left us with two choices: several years of celibacy, or marrying sooner than we wanted (or were ready) to. It came down to the fact that neither of us believe there was any real benefit to abstaining (especially considering neither of us were virgins when we met).
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Old 01-01-2016, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Young man, flee from the woman and do not look into the seas lest you drown.



25I directed my mind to know, to investigate and to seek wisdom and an explanation, and to know the evil of folly and the foolishness of madness. 26And I discovered more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are chains. One who is pleasing to God will escape from her, but the sinner will be captured by her. 27"Behold, I have discovered this," says the Preacher, "adding one thing to another to find an explanation,…


13Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
14She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
16“Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
17“Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!”
18But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.




A man has sex when he is young and he becomes a king from that time on. If he is given to it, then he becomes extremely big headed the likes of which cannot be explained or related to a woman. He is sitting on a throne and he is so proud of himself and because he liked it so much, he just might do it again because what could be wrong with something so natural?


If he is a good looking young man with money, then maybe he decides that he will have them all, and this is good to the king for a time.


When I was 16, I had money and brand new cars, Cadillacs, cougars, and every girl belonged to me. I must have been the worst person who ever lived, a pure jerk born with a silver spoon. I decided that I would kiss all the girls and date all the girls and if any of the girls didn't like it, they didn't have to kiss me. Dated a different chick every single night until I married the prom queen.


Went through a horrible marriage, got divorced and decided that I hated women.


I began dating a different woman every single night, sometimes maybe 10 women a week, and if one is so natural then it's all good right?




But when you start getting old, those regrets begin to build because with every single interaction comes consequences whether you are trying to hurt someone or not, sleeping around has consequences. BIG CONSEQUENCES! Maybe I am not like most men but I am riddled with regret to the point of denying myself a relationship with anyone for the past 15 years because I am so ashamed at just how many hurt people are left behind me, broken hearts to broken homes. I have been in fear of my past misdeeds so much that I spent years just trying to find people to beg for forgiveness.


I would tell a young man to never have sex, to never get married but that's just me.


That's not gonna happen with most men, and the best you could do is wait, and maybe you will be that one couple who defies the world, maybe you will actually find magic with one love and perhaps you will love him/her so much that you will feel you have cheated on them before you ever knew them and perhaps you have.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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18But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.
18And he hath not known that Rephaim [are] there, In deep places of Sheol her invited ones!


The Rephaim: Descendants of the Nephilim
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Old 01-03-2016, 01:12 PM
 
Location: North America
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If she isnt having sex with me by like the 4th date, i'm out. Life is too short to mess around with some silly script someone wrote centuries ago as a means of trying to control the masses. No thanks.
Trust me, she isn't losing out.
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Old 01-03-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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If she isnt having sex with me by like the 4th date, i'm out. Life is too short to mess around with some silly script someone wrote centuries ago as a means of trying to control the masses. No thanks.
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Trust me, she isn't losing out.
ROFLMAO!!
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Old 01-03-2016, 01:33 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Trust me, she isn't losing out.
How do you know? Have you had sex with CubsFan20?
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Old 01-03-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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I don't agree with this. Sometimes, pre-marital sex involves an agenda. Like engaging in certain activities that you may not really care for because you want to please the other person. Why? Because you want to move the relationship further. You want to make sure that your partner finds no reason to seek sex from anyone else. You use sex as a "weapon" to push the person into a committed relationship, when that might not otherwise be the case.

I know of several situations where my female friends were super sexpots during the courting phase, but after marriage and kids, they no longer wanted to perform to the level of porn star anymore and that resulted in a lot of disunity and resent in the relationship. I have heard about the resentment from my male friends and my female friends.

Also, ALL libidos wax and wane throughout life. Pre-marital sex is NO guarantee that your married sex will remain the same. After having cancer, kids and working full time for 20 years, there is no way a woman is going to slide into lacy lingerie and try and re-enact your fantasies for you on demand!
Doesn't matter if one doesn't marry. Just don't marry. Then if this sort of stuff rears its ugly head, it's time to simply move on from someone you are no longer compatible with. Everyone is happy.
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Life's too short.
+1

Not to mention sexual compatibility. One of my ex's was a real drag in bed. Super low libido. She loved to make out, but whatever it was, she just didn't enjoy sex that much.

Current GF and I had a discussion yesterday. We had a hard time figuring out when the last time we didn't have sex when we stayed at each other's apartment.

Also, current GF has a family history of a genetic disease that has a 50% chance of being passed on to her that would cause brain degeneration starting in her late 30's. If she happens to have the disease, she'd rather not regret living her life to the fullest, when she is physically and mentally able to do so.
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