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Yes of course I would....and as a result they would believe I exist and might like me better. Just like my kids, I don't hide in my bedroom and say "oh they should seek me out if they want a relationship with me"....I actively participate with them.
But you're wrong about despising god. Despising the concept of a god that you believe in perhaps, but I don't hate things which do not exist.
Your analogy fails because you already have a bond established with your kids from the beginning. A better one would be "I am a great parent so I need to go seek out and form relationships with every single kid in the world even if they hate me". Would you honestly do that? Force yourself on people who despise you?
And sorry, I don't buy for a second that atheists harbor no ill feelings towards God. These posts wouldn't exist otherwise. I don't believe in Zeus. I don't hate Zeus. And I don't feel the need to spend every day railing against the morality of Zeus's actions in mythology. The bitter tone and anger in these posts demonstrate quite well that hate exists underneath the surface. Mockery is a form of hatred as well.
The Bible actually has a pretty wise statement about the mockers:
"Mockers resent correction, so they avoid the wise." Proverbs 15:12
No wonder that I've never seen an atheist just once admit to being wrong about anything. Just once!!
Your analogy fails because you already have a bond established with your kids from the beginning. A better one would be "I am a great parent so I need to go seek out and form relationships with every single kid in the world even if they hate me". Would you honestly do that? Force yourself on people who despise you?
And sorry, I don't buy for a second that atheists harbor no ill feelings towards God. These posts wouldn't exist otherwise. I don't believe in Zeus. I don't hate Zeus. And I don't feel the need to spend every day railing against the morality of Zeus's actions in mythology. The bitter tone and anger in these posts demonstrate quite well that hate exists underneath the surface. Mockery is a form of hatred as well.
The Bible actually has a pretty wise statement about the mockers:
"Mockers resent correction, so they avoid the wise." Proverbs 15:12
No wonder that I've never seen an atheist just once admit to being wrong about anything. Just once!!
You would if this country had millions of them trying to push their ideas and beliefs into your laws. You see, this is the difference that you guys don't seem to understand. We do not "rail against God" because we hate him. We do so because of people like yourself, who think they are a special flower and should be able to keep people from having certain rights, and have THEIR belief system be the dominant factor in society.
The sooner you remove your blinders and LISTEN to what people tell you, then better off you will be for it.
Oh, Jeff, I hope you are ready! I have PROOF of the FSM! I dare you to dismiss it!!!
If that's all it takes to convince you of something which has been documented as satire then gee you must have a bitter stick against God to ignore all the much more convincing evidence for His existence.
You would if this country had millions of them trying to push their ideas and beliefs into your laws. You see, this is the difference that you guys don't seem to understand. We do not "rail against God" because we hate him. We do so because of people like yourself, who think they are a special flower and should be able to keep people from having certain rights, and have THEIR belief system be the dominant factor in society.
WRONG. You want to see your side destroy OUR rights and have an anti-religious society. Absolutely no desire to peacefully co-exist. Creating posts about how evil God only serves the purpose to trying to tear down the faith of others. Your side won the main victory last year with gay marriage. What other rights are out there that you claim we are trying to take away huh?
But that's not good enough. It'll never be good enough until you pound Christianity into oblivion.
And sorry, I don't buy for a second that atheists harbor no ill feelings towards God.
Of course you do not, because that would not gel with your narrative. The fact is however, in reality outside the fantasy world where you have moulded atheists to match what you need them to be, that atheists have no more (or less) ill feeling towards god than any other "bad" character in fiction.
Do I have "ill feelings" towards, say, Macbeth? No, I realize he is almost certainly fiction. But I am able to create a representation of him in my mind, and judge his actions (for better or worse) as if he was a real character.
Atheists can do that with your god character too. We do not have to believe it real to judge it's character or actions. And any "ill feeling" we have towards it is as ethereal and transient as our mental representation of the character is.
But as always, do not let facts get in the way of your question dodging, and "anti atheist" and "christian persecution" narratives.
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I don't believe in Zeus. I don't hate Zeus. And I don't feel the need to spend every day railing against the morality of Zeus's actions in mythology.
Because unlike your god and the christian religion, there is no reason to. But with your god and your religion THERE IS. Your non-point has been dealt with many times before you know. And I know you know.
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Mockery is a form of hatred as well.
You just made that up, wholesale. Mockery of PEOPLE may be as you describe. Mockery of IDEAS however is not, is perfectly valid, and is often very useful and intelligent when done right.
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"Mockers resent correction, so they avoid the wise." Proverbs 15:12
Then ask yourself why YOU avoid and dodge SO many posts and points.
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No wonder that I've never seen an atheist just once admit to being wrong about anything. Just once!!
Yes, you have.
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WRONG. You want to see your side destroy OUR rights and have an anti-religious society. Absolutely no desire to peacefully co-exist.
Again with your false persecution narrative that in no way describes reality. The goals and ideals of most atheists are in fact the EXACT opposite of what you straw man here.
If that's all it takes to convince you of something which has been documented as satire then gee you must have a bitter stick against God to ignore all the much more convincing evidence for His existence.
It is the same evidence you provided for your God, so why is it any different? There are many people who believe is His Noodliness, and there is just as much proof for His Noodliness as there is for your God. Which is my point.
WRONG. You want to see your side destroy OUR rights and have an anti-religious society. Absolutely no desire to peacefully co-exist. Creating posts about how evil God only serves the purpose to trying to tear down the faith of others. Your side won the main victory last year with gay marriage. What other rights are out there that you claim we are trying to take away huh?
But that's not good enough. It'll never be good enough until you pound Christianity into oblivion.
Again with your BS that proves you listen to NOTHING anyone tells you.
We do not give one rat's a$$ about your beliefs. We care about whether you are pushing them onto others. Whether you like it or not, this is a secular country. We are not doing anything to take away YOUR rights. I don't even see how you can be so ignorant as to say that something like gay marriage is somehow infringing on YOUR rights.
Fact is Jeff, nothing is being taken away from you. You are free to practice your religion however you see fit, as long as it doesn't effect others. Same as everyone else. Nothing is being taken away from you. Your persecution complex is quite strong. You need to get over it.
Again with your BS that proves you listen to NOTHING anyone tells you.
We do not give one rat's a$$ about your beliefs.
Then why are you so relentless adamant on trying to tear them down?
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We care about whether you are pushing them onto others. Whether you like it or not, this is a secular country. We are not doing anything to take away YOUR rights. I don't even see how you can be so ignorant as to say that something like gay marriage is somehow infringing on YOUR rights.
How are we pushing our beliefs on you? No one is forcing you to go to church or even read the Bible. Yes, gasp you actually have to stay in a hotel room with a Gideon Bible hidden in a drawer. That's just so horrible, huh? If someone is harbors so much resentment against Christianity that they can not even stand to physically be in the same room as a Bible, that speaks volumes of the level of hate going on here.
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Fact is Jeff, nothing is being taken away from you. You are free to practice your religion however you see fit, as long as it doesn't effect others. Same as everyone else. Nothing is being taken away from you. Your persecution complex is quite strong. You need to get over it.
Tell that to the guy in Ohio who had his job TAKEN AWAY from him for sharing the gospel. Or the baker being forced to violate their beliefs or get punished. That isn't nothing. That is something being taken away.
Then why are you so relentless adamant on trying to tear them down?
Do you ever walk into a bar and ask why people insist on drinking beer? Or into a swimming pool and ask why people insist on getting wet?
This is a DEBATE and DISCUSSION forum. Debating and discussing beliefs and ideas is what is DONE here. So do not feed that into your persecution narrative. It is almost like you WANT to feel persecuted, to validate your narrative, so you specifically joined here knowing your beliefs would be questioned and rebutted.
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How are we pushing our beliefs on you? No one is forcing you to go to church or even read the Bible.
Religious beliefs are pushed on us in our halls of power, education and science all the time. It has nothing to do with church and Bibles, it has everything to do with what you people do with your beleifs when you stop reading your books, and you leave your club house.
Worse, you KNOW all this, and everyone here knows you know all this..... but you maintain this facade of pretending not to know it. And I suspect everyone knows why.
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