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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Prime example of the hatred which atheists claim they do not have for an imaginary person. You can't just say you disagree with the Bible. Nooooo, you have to say it's "garbage" which you know is actually offensive to a lot of people and disrespectful to the people who have lived and died for this sacred book.
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LOL! Here we go again.
You seem to forget that many of us here and elsewhere
really don't CARE anymore if it's offensive. Religion has had 2,000 years of unearned and, quite frankly, undeserved respect. For centuries, people have had to live in abject FEAR of being executed in cruel, vicious, and malevolent ways for merely whispering a disagreement with even the smallest bit of scripture. Even in the modern age of free speech we've had to deal with people like you who demand ... DEMAND ... that everyone walk around pretending as though they have nothing but the utmost respect for religion as if we STILL live in an age where so much as looking at a Bible the wrong way could land you in a dungeon.
If that weren't bad enough, you ... yes YOU, Jeffbase, and others like you ... are merely the Christian mirror image of the Muslims who stormed the office of a cartoonist and murdered a bunch of people because ... why, Jeff? WHY?
Because they were *cough* offended.
Oh boohoo, someone spoke ill of, or drew an inappropriate image of, my messiah and or my prophet and or my God and or my holy book and or my pope/pastor/imam and or simply made a joke about a Mexican guy named Jesus.
Right, let me guess: "But I would never murder people because I was offended! You don't see Christians doing that!"
Of course you don't. Because secularism finally managed to win control of legislation and the judicial system of most (if not all) Christian nations. Secularism, Jeff.
Do you remember the story I posted about a week ago showing how three Christian presidential candidates -- Huckabee, Jindle, and the current 2nd place contender, Cruz -- had a hap-hap-happy Christian jamboree just a few months ago at an event hosted and led by a pastor, Kevin Swanson, who wants the government to execute homosexuals?
Did you .... umm ... miss that, by chance?
I'm here to tell you that thanks to you and your fundamentalist pals this country walks a razor's edge between being a 1st World free democracy with a secular government and some 3rd World de facto theocracy with people like Cruz in power -- and only a thin piece of 300 year-old paper standing between him and some pretty terrible Christian Taliban proclamations.
Do you know what that 300 year-old piece of paper says, Jeff? Well, it is, perhaps, the one and only thing that keeps a certain vocal, well-funded, and well-organized (not to mention powerful) segment of Christianity from doing precisely what you claim they'll never do.
How long would it be, then, before people who called the Bible "garbage" mysteriously disappeared in the middle of the night ... because people like YOU were offended?
I can't speak for every atheist, but for me, that's a big reason why I just don't CARE if you're offended. And let's get something straight ...
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
...is actually offensive to a lot of people and disrespectful to the people who have lived and died for this sacred book.
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More people have died to
protect our right to call the Bible "garbage" than have EVER died protecting YOUR ill-conceived right to CENSOR people who disagree with your religion.
Why not get your butt up from behind that computer, march yourself down to any VFW post, and ask the members you find therein and see what they think. Hmm?
(As a note to other Christians, as I'm sure you know by now, I am not gunning for every Christian, just those like Jeff who would either join the theocratic fascists ... or stand idly by and allow braver people to do the immoral things he only wished he had the stomach to do himself.)
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
You claim God is inept yet funny thing is you offer no explanation how you could do such a superior job than God.
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Are you kidding? How could ANYONE screw up as badly as God while still being all-powerful? Well, at least according to your literal take on the Bible. (That's what I love about dealing with literalists: they have to swallow ALL of the medicine, not just the parts that taste yummy.)
Seriously, think about it. God screwed the pooch so heinously that he had to magically rape Mary by sticking his son Jesus in her womb with the original INTENT of murdering Jesus at the prime of his life just to make we humans feel guilty about something that was never our fault to begin with. Yeah, that's right. The sacrifice of Jesus was all about covering up God's divine brain fart.
"Well damn ... I guess it WAS a bad idea to put the Forbidden Fruit in the Garden of Eden along with a brand new child-race and a demon prince." (*heavy sigh*) "I guess I have to admit, too, that, next time, I'll remember to create Eve BEFORE I warn humanity not to eat the Forbidden Fruit. My bad."
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
With your logic, parents should never have children because children will eventually do wrong things and disobey. No, most people have children because the positive aspects outweigh the negatives.
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Most parents don't have children just to create a cult of worshipers who are expected to blindly obey every whimsical demand lest they be tortured by the father's arch-enemy.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Bottom line is that you are not God, you don't have God's supreme knowledge of the universe therefore you can not accurate evaluate the situation without all the facts. You need God's perspective.
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Actually, there's a line below your bottom line.
It says that, no, actually you don't need God's perspective. The reason is because of the fragility of the Biblical "house of cards" that taking everything literally builds.
Because the numerous ways in which I could explain this to you could easily fill a book ... AND ... because I know it won't matter anyway and because nothing I've ever said (or anything any other non-Bible-worshiper has said, for that matter) to you has or ever will matter ... AND ... because I've written enough already, ripped you a new one ... AND ... because your obsession with censoring, fascism, and your arrogant demands for respect on behalf of your fundamentalism really ticked me off ... I'm just not going to waste much time on this.
I will say this, however:
There are quite a number of things about humans, our planet, and the universe that can only be the result of one of two things (if we accept Biblical literalism as true):
a) God was either stupid or malevalent
OR
b) God was playing by the rules of some OTHER God ... a God even greater than himself, the REAL creator of the universe.
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