How many branches of science must a creationists reject... (agnostics, worship, theology)
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But Age-enduring strikes strikes me as an honest truth seeker - who was, and is hoping to remain - comfortable in his Christian-based beliefs but is willing to explore avenues that may require him to re-arrange certain aspects of them.
It's a path others have walked successfully - although none remained fundamentalists.
Good for them.
Age apparently watched the video , and as far as I can tell is doing a little investigating and asking questions . Good on him, and I give him credit for doing so . He's leaps and bounds above the other ones here who are scared to death to do what he has done .
Age apparently watched the video , and as far as I can tell is doing a little investigating and asking questions . Good on him, and I give him credit for doing so . He's leaps and bounds above the other ones here who are scared to death to do what he has done .
Yes some of his statements sounded silly but I think that they were simply naive. He has probably learnt more about science in the time he has been here than 3 or 4 others I have in their entire life.
Yes some of his statements sounded silly but I think that they were simply naive. He has probably learnt more about science in the time he has been here than 3 or 4 others I have in their entire life.
He learned more in one minute than the guy in the post above will learn in his entire life .
But Age-enduring strikes strikes me as an honest truth seeker - who was, and is hoping to remain - comfortable in his Christian-based beliefs but is willing to explore avenues that may require him to re-arrange certain aspects of them.
It's a path others have walked successfully - although none remained fundamentalists.
Good for them.
Well, thank you for the complement Trout. I have a Pentecostal background, and still would like to think that is my experience, but I'm much less constrained by doctrine and orthodoxy these days, because 'being told how something is' is not how God works - he uses something more sophisticated, which is understood to be the technical basis of hypnosis - a choice of options (free to choose) with a simultaneous command (not free) - "I set before you life and death - choose life". The technique induces trance states. I don't think of myself as a fundie anymore, but I err to choosing to listen to the still small voice of the Holy Spirit, than to man, or literal interpretation of words - doing so may put me on dangerous ground, but if following God conforms to "forgive them, for they know not what they do" then I am in the right place.
As to spiritual law, in Christian terms it would be the law of love, primarily of 'others before self'. That law fights against our nature, which is selfish - our nature is another law - the law of sin and death. Christ overcame death, and He can do that in us - not physical death, but spiritual death, which is the I, and me pleasing. It's an inner thing, that no science can measure.
I'm sorry for the experiences of all those who've tasted of church and had bad experiences. I've known a few people who were believers and are not know, but it's facile to turn from God because of experiences with mere people. life is bigger than that.
As to where I am up to with my reading there were 3 things one had to accept on the Wikipedia page of Evolution fact and theory - I'm not going to cite them, am only on a phone here. Two of them were fairly palatable - the one that is still awkward is common descent, because it doesn't have any comment about the vast difference between mankind and bonobo - which is for me, is the made in the image of God part. At least the first 3 or 4 days, if not all the days of creation have to be billions of years, which bares a ridiculous contrast to the 7000 years that the Bible subject matter covers (we are between the 6th and 7th days / thousand years, now). BUT, ..and here's the BUT, God may have just done it that way!, to show how ridiculous and small we all are compared with his greatness, and His perfect timing.
Well, thank you for the complement Trout. I have a Pentecostal background, and still would like to think that is my experience, but I'm much less constrained by doctrine and orthodoxy these days, because 'being told how something is' is not how God works - he uses something more sophisticated, which is understood to be the technical basis of hypnosis - a choice of options (free to choose) with a simultaneous command (not free) - "I set before you life and death - choose life". The technique induces trance states. I don't think of myself as a fundie anymore, but I err to choosing to listen to the still small voice of the Holy Spirit, than to man, or literal interpretation of words - doing so may put me on dangerous ground, but if following God conforms to "forgive them, for they know not what they do" then I am in the right place.
As to spiritual law, in Christian terms it would be the law of love, primarily of 'others before self'. That law fights against our nature, which is selfish - our nature is another law - the law of sin and death. Christ overcame death, and He can do that in us - not physical death, but spiritual death, which is the I, and me pleasing. It's an inner thing, that no science can measure.
I'm sorry for the experiences of all those who've tasted of church and had bad experiences. I've known a few people who were believers and are not know, but it's facile to turn from God because of experiences with mere people. life is bigger than that.
As to where I am up to with my reading there were 3 things one had to accept on the Wikipedia page of Evolution fact and theory - I'm not going to cite them, am only on a phone here. Two of them were fairly palatable - the one that is still awkward is common descent, because it doesn't have any comment about the vast difference between mankind and bonobo - which is for me, is the made in the image of God part. At least the first 3 or 4 days, if not all the days of creation have to be billions of years, which bares a ridiculous contrast to the 7000 years that the Bible subject matter covers (we are between the 6th and 7th days / thousand years, now). BUT, ..and here's the BUT, God may have just done it that way!, to show how ridiculous and small we all are compared with his greatness, and His perfect timing.
Though I disagree with the vast majority of this post, it is indeed thoughtful. To easily prove the highlighted test wrong, I can simply point to the vast number of unselfish and loving acts performed by non-Christians and non-believers. You've made this claim of the "spiritual law" as a fact, yet you have no way to demonstrate it or to test it. It seems this is simply a concept you would like to believe to justify what you were raised to believe.
Though I disagree with the vast majority of this post, it is indeed thoughtful. To easily prove the highlighted test wrong, I can simply point to the vast number of unselfish and loving acts performed by non-Christians and non-believers. You've made this claim of the "spiritual law" as a fact, yet you have no way to demonstrate it or to test it. It seems this is simply a concept you would like to believe to justify what you were raised to believe.
The whole of what you highlighted is the truth, regarding non physical spiritual components of our make-up, the extra things that mark us out from old bonobo.
I just received the following from my wife this morning - she copied and pasted it from her FB feed:
"It's impossible, " said pride. "It's risky, " said experience. "It's pointless, " said reason. "Give it a try," whispered the HEART. -unkown
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