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#1 - it is the most successful path to a happy peaceful life.
#2 - You are no longer a slave to death. Ex. a pastor once got held up at gunpoint and the shooter threaten to kill him. Completely void of fear, the pastor boldly told the shooter, well go ahead if you must, I'll just see heaven a lot sooner!
All your post shows is that you believe it, not that it is true or not. Do you not think that any non Christians or non believers have ever stood up and faced down a potential shooter?
But you have not answered why is it that marriage could have been viewed differently in Biblical times when it comes to things like David's marriage and yet you hold steadfast that marriage is traditional from the Bible? And you repeatedly claim that we cannot judge what happened back then because things were different but why cannot we judge that the reason for being against homosexuality was different back then too?
It comes off as the Bible is inerrant and rigid except when it needs to be flexible to defend it from what it states. It should be either it is rigid or it is not I think, not that it is rigid when it suits you but flexible when it does not.
No I do not know the Bible but I do want to understand how you rational the defence you are putting forth.
All your post shows is that you believe it, not that it is true or not. Do you not think that any non Christians or non believers have ever stood up and faced down a potential shooter?
But you have not answered why is it that marriage could have been viewed differently in Biblical times when it comes to things like David's marriage and yet you hold steadfast that marriage is traditional from the Bible? And you repeatedly claim that we cannot judge what happened back then because things were different but why cannot we judge that the reason for being against homosexuality was different back then too?
It comes off as the Bible is inerrant and rigid except when it needs to be flexible to defend it from what it states. It should be either it is rigid or it is not I think, not that it is rigid when it suits you but flexible when it does not.
No I do not know the Bible but I do want to understand how you rational the defence you are putting forth.
There ya go with all that pesky logic! Unfortunately, it will not be heard by Jeff.
That would be plausible if there was any indication that the women wanted to sleep with David's enemy, and the god washed his hands of them, allowing them to do so. But that's not what the passage says; it clearly states that god would give the women over to David's enemy, not that the women would give themselves over to him.
The other side of give is take. The women were taken away from David. You have no proof that rape occurred here. They could have freely given themselves to David's son since his son had the power and control at that point. All you are doing is reading into the words what you want it to say without even looking at the full context. It didn't happen. God didn't come down and take control over the mind of other men and force rape to happen. It was a chain of events done out of the free will of sinful men..
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Plus, if these women were concubines and having sex with other men was customary, how is that any sort of shocking punishment if it's what they ordinarily did? In actuality it wasn't customary: concubines joined the "harem" as virgins, and the whole point to being a concubine was to avoid prostitution for survival. But again, the question keeps coming back to: why deliberately punish and publicly humiliate this group of women, when there is no indication that they were even tangentially a part of David's sin?
The shocking punishment is David lost pretty much everything as a result of his sin. He lost his power, his family and respect of the people. The lesson is here how sexual sin is so destructive yet we still do it generation after generation. Take Bill Clinton for example. The most powerful man in America and he still could not keep his sexual sin hidden. He was publically shamed just like David.
How can YOU attack something YOU don't believe in to begin with? You and others sure put effort into doing it. Why does He threaten you so much? What has He done to YOU? Why you scared of something, you say ain't real? Why you here? What do you gain by being here? What is it your spreading?
Oxymoron's searching for self justification of something they don't believe in to start with.
Why?
2 Sam.12:
[11] Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
[12] For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
It seems the more important thing here is that you chose to attack Cupper, rather rather then deplore the passage in 2 Sam. The problem isn't that Cupper doesn't believe any of it, the problem is that YOU DO! And accept it as Godly. I notice that God didn't make this statement at all. The author of 2 Sam. made this statement. And yet you, in the throes of your make believe, would give these verses the force of being God's will. But not everyone is a sheep you see.
The other side of give is take. The women were taken away from David. You have no proof that rape occurred here. They could have freely given themselves to David's son since his son had the power and control at that point. All you are doing is reading into the words what you want it to say without even looking at the full context. It didn't happen. God didn't come down and take control over the mind of other men and force rape to happen. It was a chain of events done out of the free will of sinful men..
No Jeff, the trouble is that I can't ignore the context. These women wouldn't have the right to give themselves freely to anyone, as women were placed strictly under the authority of their husbands or fathers. And again, there is zero indication that they were in any way looking to do so; that one minor detail is quite important to how the story is perceived. That's the problem: their consent is evidently irrelevant.
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The shocking punishment is David lost pretty much everything as a result of his sin. He lost his power, his family and respect of the people. The lesson is here how sexual sin is so destructive yet we still do it generation after generation. Take Bill Clinton for example. The most powerful man in America and he still could not keep his sexual sin hidden. He was publically shamed just like David.
Ah, great example! Did anyone call to have Hilary, or heck, even Monica and Gennifer, turned over to Bill's enemies to be used in public as a human fleshlight? Nope, it was Bill himself who was put on trial for his actions.
No Jeff, the trouble is that I can't ignore the context. These women wouldn't have the right to give themselves freely to anyone, as women were placed strictly under the authority of their husbands or fathers. And again, there is zero indication that they were in any way looking to do so; that one minor detail is quite important to how the story is perceived. That's the problem: their consent is evidently irrelevant.
And again, there is zero indication that rape is occurring here. Not very nice to make great accusations against God without having all the facts.
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Ah, great example! Did anyone call to have Hilary, or heck, even Monica and Gennifer, turned over to Bill's enemies to be used in public as a human fleshlight? Nope, it was Bill himself who was put on trial for his actions.
Other people like Monica suffered consequences because of Bill's actions, but hey that's God's fault, right?
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