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Clearly you are not willing to acknowledge the existence of ANY God which is far more determinative of what an atheist really is, your pretense at open-mindedness and seeking for evidence notwithstanding. I am hiding nothing. I do not consider your question relevant. I do not buy into the idea that God MUST do something for us other than exist and supply the purpose of our existence. It is what we are supposed to do for God that should occupy us.
So, it looks like you have been thoroughly shown to be unable to articulate anything of meaning , value or relevancy regarding your God . And you have already admitted it has no impact on human behavior, as thoroughly evidenced by your main disciple, without dispute from you or him .
Looks like we have firmly established that your version is totally meaningless and irrelevant .
Clearly you are not willing to acknowledge the existence of ANY God which is far more determinative of what an atheist really is, your pretense at open-mindedness and seeking for evidence notwithstanding. I am hiding nothing. I do not consider your question relevant. I do not buy into the idea that God MUST do something for us other than exist and supply the purpose of our existence. It is what we are supposed to do for God that should occupy us.
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So, it looks like you have been thoroughly shown to be unable to articulate anything of meaning , value or relevancy regarding your God . And you have already admitted it has no impact on human behavior, as thoroughly evidenced by your main disciple, without dispute from you or him .
Looks like we have firmly established that your version is totally meaningless and irrelevant .
You have firmly established nothing of the kind. You will learn its meaning, value, and relevance if you fail to actually achieve what we exist to achieve. It is all about what we do, not what God does. We will all reap whatever we sow in our consciousness (Spirit). We are either nurturing it and developing it to maturity or we are not. Our birth as Spirit (death) will have to endure the benefits or drawbacks of our development here in the womb. There is no need for any other mechanism.
And now the woo that has been hidden behind claims of science and pantheism starts. But at least the boring part is past and the interesting stuff starts now .
How exactly is your main student , the porn purveyor that makes his living exploiting other people , developing his spiritual consciousness to full maturity? Is a non believer who lives a decent live and nurtures his spirit worse off than a believer that exploits other people for profit in your woo?
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And now the woo that has been hidden behind claims of science and pantheism starts. But at least the boring part is past and the interesting stuff starts now .
Whether or not you understand it, every thought, feeling and action you produce is forming the character of your Spirit. Only you can alter it for better or worse. The fact that you do not think it is real or substantive because it is just your fleeting thoughts or whatever, will not change the reality. It is comprised of whatever field energy/mass/momentum our reality is made of and that means it is relatively permanent unless something acts upon it to alter its manifestation. Currently, the only known way it can be altered is through your particular brain. That would seem to limit any alterations to the cumulative composite to this side of death. But just as an embryo infant developing in the womb acquires additional development opportunities upon being born, we have no clue what its fate will be on the other side of death.
And now the woo that has been hidden behind claims of science and pantheism starts. But at least the boring part is past and the interesting stuff starts now .
How exactly is your main student , the porn purveyor that makes his living exploiting other people , developing his spiritual consciousness to full maturity? Is a non believer who lives a decent live and nurtures his spirit worse off than a believer that exploits other people for profit in your woo?
Can't rep. you, but you have sussed him. One way or another, the fatal flaws in his argument will be detected and then we get the Woo and the faith -claims. They are easily sussed, too. And the funny thing is that it makes no difference that Mystic won't hear us; he has yet again failed to peddle his theory.
Theists, from Mystic here to the doorstep evangelists seem to think they have won if they refuse to be convinced. They seem to forget that they are trying to convince the opposition. They deny that, too, but anyone who posts an opinion here is trying to argue a case, whether they admit it or not.
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He doesn't have to choose who he beats up on based on belief. He should be beating up on how some people believe and those that would push a personal emotional belief as the only logical choice.
we all should be doing that instead of letting the color their spirit wear choose.
He can beat up on whomsoever he likes. All we might do is comment on his posts, and indeed he could make a good post or a good point or indeed a Good Bad example. It is, I'm afraid, a certain Type who seem to take it upon themselves to castigate the behaviour of others (e.g us, who only crit. the reasoning and arguments of others..unless they are a danger) and who seem to want to bully, nag and shame us into shutting up.
Apart from the occasional swat, we know enough to ignore them.
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To me it just seems so hard to not believe..
I can understand that. It could be an instinct, or a vague education, or both.
What we argue is that the instinct to Believe may not be a reliable guide to the facts; and education o believe may not be based on anything substantive. Do you see where we are rethinking these belief -inclinations?
Now you could, if you wanted, post some good reasons why you are inclined to believe and why you 'find it hard not to...' I (we) would be more than happy to discuss, and if you continued to find it easier to believe than doubt, that's your right. The value would be in seeing who has the best factual and reason -based argument.
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Agreed.
But there's a lot of space in between.
Exciting times for the generations following mine. I'm soon-to-be 65. Certified old by most accounts. I already get a discount from most retail stores in town at one time of the month or another. My job to keep track, which I usually don't. But once I hit the big 65 - suddenly, the prescriptions I pay about $250/month for now will only cost about $8.
Sometimes it's good to be old.
Agreed. I am a few years ahead of you, young feller. And I reckon I am more content now than I was in my 20's. But I would like to live to see a Real avalanche to irreligion and an effective end to religious authority.
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He can beat up on whomsoever he likes. All we might do is comment on his posts, and indeed he could make a good post or a good point or indeed a Good Bad example. It is, I'm afraid, a certain Type who seem to take it upon themselves to castigate the behaviour of others (e.g us, who only crit. the reasoning and arguments of others..unless they are a danger) and who seem to want to bully, nag and shame us into shutting up.
Apart from the occasional swat, we know enough to ignore them.
I think I get cha. I think we agree on this.
ignore when the opinion is supported by the numbers. for example, danger from religion. There are those think when there is more danger from other sources than that person's post claimed source we might want to inform them?
and, do not question illogical reasoning even when it originates from your team members? for example. " ... is the only logical choice ..."
I would add that some people might want to choose other lines of logic when their logic is driven on personal emotion needs. Maybe just a shift to logic based on data that includes all observations and not just one that supports me and my gang.
when we can't stand in the ring, swat when they aint looking.
And now the woo that has been hidden behind claims of science and pantheism starts. But at least the boring part is past and the interesting stuff starts now .
How exactly is your main student , the porn purveyor that makes his living exploiting other people , developing his spiritual consciousness to full maturity? Is a non believer who lives a decent live and nurtures his spirit worse off than a believer that exploits other people for profit in your woo?
I don't know what you mean by hidden by pantheism? Doesn't pantheism mean that if there is a god it would be made up of the universe's pieces? Hold on other readers, I know there are no real parts.
We are made of pieces and defined by our surroundings. Why couldn't/wouldn't the universe be the same? Is it unreasonable to claim that it might be?
You have proven the point. when numbers don't support the claim ignore the numbers. Yeah, we are not just like them. and you want me to side with you. too funny.
Exciting times for the generations following mine. I'm soon-to-be 65. Certified old by most accounts. I already get a discount from most retail stores in town at one time of the month or another. My job to keep track, which I usually don't. But once I hit the big 65 - suddenly, the prescriptions I pay about $250/month for now will only cost about $8.
Sometimes it's good to be old.
dern trout, you hit the rant button.
Yes there is. That really is the base point to every one of my post trout. You have seen me say "dark god". Ist not the two ends.
That notion is what my millyism do not understand. I would also say, based on what we think, we can say that it is further away from "Omni dude" than "nothing", lmao that's sounds funny but you know what I mean. Much further.
I agree, I do not want to live forever unless we are traveling in space, But even with that, if we can't get "out" I would rather die than know everything forever. I used to worry about the future but since the smart phone I am not as worried. Trout, mark my words, we will make the next life form(in terms of the next rung on evolution's step of complexity) in less than two hundred years.
Most life that goes extinct leaves something for the next group. Can you guess ours? Hint: Maybe a reason why we think babies are so underdeveloped as compared to other animals.
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but anyone who posts an opinion here is trying to argue a case, whether they admit it or not. 
