Once again, the Freedom From Religion Foundation forces removal of religious symbolism (hell, church)
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And good for them. There is no reason for Police vehicles to display any religious symbols. I suspect the fundies on this board would be in an uproar if those signs said, "Allah Ahkbar".
Well done them. But we still have "In God we trust" on some police cars?
We do, and the practice is spreading. One Florida police Chief said the idea popped into his head when seeing the phrase in an e -mail.
I would lay good money that the e -mail said "We got away tiy In God we trust" on the police cars here - we are asking all true believers to do the same where they are."
And that is what they are doing.
But another move is starting. "In God we trust" is being replaced with "We, the people". Like the atheist tracts in school satchels, this one could backfire on the "To hell with curch and state separation" lobby initiative.
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Well done them. But we still have "In God we trust" on some police cars?
We do, and the practice is spreading. One Florida police Chief said the idea popped into his head when seeing the phrase in an e -mail.
I would lay good money that the e -mail said "We got away tiy In God we trust" on the police cars here - we are asking all true believers to do the same where they are."
And that is what they are doing.
But another move is starting. "In God we trust" is being replaced with "We, the people". Like the atheist tracts in school satchels, this one could backfire on the "To hell with curch and state separation" lobby initiative.
I can see the "We the people" catching on, as it can not in any way be construed to be the State promoting a religion. Actually, I personally could support that as it does imply a patriotic perspective (remember, I am Canadian, and only spend half my time in the US). I know that some rightwing extremists use the phrase to portray a xenophobia for their own purposes, but don't let them highjack what should be something that all should be able to support.
I can see the "We the people" catching on, as it can not in any way be construed to be the State promoting a religion. Actually, I personally could support that as it does imply a patriotic perspective (remember, I am Canadian, and only spend half my time in the US). I know that some rightwing extremists use the phrase to portray a xenophobia for their own purposes, but don't let them highjack what should be something that all should be able to support.
Do you see it differently?
Being a mere Limey (and potential Ex European ) my views don't count. But anything that scuppers the attempts of the religious agents provocateurs to drive a crack in the wall between the church and state in the US, is good from where I'm sitting.
The ironic thing is to a non-Christian, Romans 13:4 should just be meaningless words. A person actually has to go look up the chapter and verse in the Bible to found out the message.
Even then, I don't see this as any violation of the Establishment Clause. A decal that said Christianity is the official religion of the Harper police dept. If I ever need services of a police officer, fireman or EMS, the last thought I am going to have is gee, I hope that person is a Christian. The only concern should be that they have proper training and provide appropriate care and assistance to the needed situation. You know, doing their job.
The ironic thing is to a non-Christian, Romans 13:4 should just be meaningless words. A person actually has to go look up the chapter and verse in the Bible to found out the message.
It doesn't matter what Romans 13:4 says. What matters is that a Bible verse has no business on a government owned vehicle.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Even then, I don't see this as any violation of the Establishment Clause. A decal that said Christianity is the official religion of the Harper police dept. If I ever need services of a police officer, fireman or EMS, the last thought I am going to have is gee, I hope that person is a Christian. The only concern should be that they have proper training and provide appropriate care and assistance to the needed situation. You know, doing their job.
Goodness, what do you think the Establishment Clause means? There can'tbe an "official religion", as that is the very definition of establishing religion.
It doesn't matter what Romans 13:4 says. What matters is that a Bible verse has no business on a government owned vehicle.
Goodness, what do you think the Establishment Clause means? There can'tbe an "official religion", as that is the very definition of establishing religion.
Unbelievable, ain't it? Jeff actually can say 'Official religion' of a police dept. and see nothing wrong with that!
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) my views don't count. But anything that scuppers the attempts of the religious agents provocateurs to drive a crack in the wall between the church and state in the US, is good from where I'm sitting.
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