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I'm not trying to knock your post down but your post refers to the medulla oblongata where "God insulates the cosmic energy that keeps you alive". Did you know that catfish and European minnows have medulla oblongata's??? In fact, I'd have to do some research, but I'm pretty sure medulla oblongata's are a trait found in almost all vertebrate animals...
If I remember right, in 7th grade biology (a bout 100 years AGO) I learned that the medulla oblongata was the most primitive part of the human brain that controls automatic functions such as breathing and the beating of the heart..
physical (our physical body) some say we are no more than this mental (our intellect, thinking mind) some say this is "running the show" emotional (our feeling center, our emotions, our "heart center) some say the highest part because when we come from a place of love we are at our most evolved spiritual (our eternal portion that exists before and after physical birth and death)
Each of us has all 4 of these bodies. The one driving the bus is the spirit. Since we have free will, we can choose to exist only in one or another of these bodies, to the detriment of the others. That is when a person is out of balance in their life, for a person needs to be living in and developing all 4 bodies to live a healthy balanced life.
So to say we have a brain, yes, that gets us part of the way there, some evolvement but not a whole lot more than saying we are just a body. Because to say the brain is the be all and end all excludes the emotions and many people who are exceedingly stuck in their heads DO IGNORE their emotions, they are the ones who have trouble feeling and expressing and understanding their emotions and feelings in their daily lives.
Even farther "up the tree" of evolvement is recognizing the spiritual body that each of us has whether we acknowledge it or claim it does not exist. (I can claim that gravity doesn't exist but that doesn't mean it's not there.) It's not about a specific god or religous being, it is a way of identifying the force of life that flows through us.
Scientists can get really extreme and narrow minded in thinking, and medicine is an example of this. Accupuncture is a medicine that has been around keeping people healthy for thousands of years, long before "modern Western medicine" appeared. It is a proven system of health and healing. Modern science totally discounts it because it is based entirely on "non physical" structures in the body, the meridians that carry life force energy (chi, whatever you want to call it) through the body, in channels or veins, maps show them, just like other maps show bones and muscles of our physical body.
So to say that it is electricity is correct in a way, because it is an electrical type of force, but it does not come from the brain. We connect to this "electricity" both above us (through the crown of your head) and below us (through the soles of our feet).
physical (our physical body) some say we are no more than this mental (our intellect, thinking mind) some say this is "running the show" emotional (our feeling center, our emotions, our "heart center) some say the highest part because when we come from a place of love we are at our most evolved spiritual (our eternal portion that exists before and after physical birth and death)
Each of us has all 4 of these bodies. The one driving the bus is the spirit. Since we have free will, we can choose to exist only in one or another of these bodies, to the detriment of the others. That is when a person is out of balance in their life, for a person needs to be living in and developing all 4 bodies to live a healthy balanced life.
So to say we have a brain, yes, that gets us part of the way there, some evolvement but not a whole lot more than saying we are just a body. Because to say the brain is the be all and end all excludes the emotions and many people who are exceedingly stuck in their heads DO IGNORE their emotions, they are the ones who have trouble feeling and expressing and understanding their emotions and feelings in their daily lives.
Even farther "up the tree" of evolvement is recognizing the spiritual body that each of us has whether we acknowledge it or claim it does not exist. (I can claim that gravity doesn't exist but that doesn't mean it's not there.) It's not about a specific god or being, it is the force of life that flows through us.
There is evidence for gravity. That's why it's not rejected by an physicist or astronomer. As far as your talk about different bodies, you're passing it off like it is fact, which is not true. We have the brain (what you may refer to as the mental body) that controls the body (what you referred to as physical body). Emotions are in the brain and are not separate. The heart is just a muscle that pumps blood. There are no mystical characteristics behind it. There is no evidence of a spirit, so comparing it to the existence of gravity is ludicrous, because gravity has been proven. Many things that we could say have to do with spirit or soul are just delusions in our minds. The brain can do more things than people think. It's been proven that when people's brains are in certain states, they have "near death" experiences or out-of-body experiences, but these were just delusions in the brain. A scientist tested himself by getting in a barrel that span really fast for at least half an hour. He eventually passed out and when he did, he had an experience similar to what many in hospitals claim to have. The brain works different ways in different situations. As far as your little statement about the spirit existing after death, that's great, except you forget to mention that memory exists in the brain, so how could you even be the same person after death? And even if you do carry memory after death, where does that leave people with Alzheimer's?
Scientists can get really extreme and narrow minded in thinking, and medicine is an example of this. Accupuncture is a medicine that has been around keeping people healthy for thousands of years, long before "modern Western medicine" appeared. It is a proven system of health and healing. Modern science totally discounts it because it is based entirely on "non physical" structures in the body, the meridians that carry life force energy (chi, whatever you want to call it) through the body, in channels or veins, maps show them, just like other maps show bones and muscles of our physical body.
So to say that it is electricity is correct in a way, because it is an electrical type of force, but it does not come from the brain. We connect to this "electricity" both above us (through the crown of your head) and below us (through the soles of our feet).
Once again, where is the evidence to your claims? There has been no evidence that accupuncture is a reliable medicine.
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There is evidence for gravity. That's why it's not rejected by an physicist or astronomer. As far as your talk about different bodies, you're passing it off like it is fact, which is not true. We have the brain (what you may refer to as the mental body) that controls the body (what you referred to as physical body). Emotions are in the brain and are not separate. The heart is just a muscle that pumps blood. There are no mystical characteristics behind it. There is no evidence of a spirit, so comparing it to the existence of gravity is ludicrous, because gravity has been proven. Many things that we could say have to do with spirit or soul are just delusions in our minds. The brain can do more things than people think. It's been proven that when people's brains are in certain states, they have "near death" experiences or out-of-body experiences, but these were just delusions in the brain. A scientist tested himself by getting in a barrel that span really fast for at least half an hour. He eventually passed out and when he did, he had an experience similar to what many in hospitals claim to have. The brain works different ways in different situations. As far as your little statement about the spirit existing after death, that's great, except you forget to mention that memory exists in the brain, so how could you even be the same person after death? And even if you do carry memory after death, where does that leave people with Alzheimer's?
Returning to the concept of the bodies, which in my humble opinion (with no intention to shove my beliefs on no one) I would join the mental and emotional body in one.
why this? because thought force creates energy, the stronger the energy generated the stronger the emotions it generates.
Now answering Haaziq questions, it is true that nowadays we have evidence about gravity, but what some centuries in the past, we didn't know about such force, yet it existed. The same with spirit and soul, they are there but we don't have the means to see them (supposedly) because the truth is that we are endowed with such mechanisms within us, but few people know how to develop them.
Now returning to the bodies concept, we have 3 bodies (imho, no absolute truths here)
The physical body
The astral body, which is composed of light and energy, feelings, emotions
The causal or ideational body, which is just the stream of our consciousness, willpower, individuality and living desire.
The astral body is an energy expression of that consciousness, and it is responsible for the unvoluntary mechanisms that occur within our physical body among many other things, emotions are also generated within this astral body of which the physical body is a grosser expression to interact with this phyisical plane of existence, that is why in the physical realm, the heart is nothing else but a blood pumping machine, yet emotions can mess with it.
Now speaking about memory, death, and alzheimer, what happens is the following again (imho), when we are born again in the physical plane, we have no consciousness of our previous life, of our former existence in the physical plane or about our time in the astral realm, yet we retain the tendencies and habits from past lives, as well as the desires.
Have you ever met a person that you felt you knew? something of his/her features, specially expressions or energy, is tremendously familiar to you, this could be an encounter with a friend from past lifes.
Now about alzheimer, being the physical body the physical expression of the subtler bodies, if it gets damaged, the connection with your other bodies will suffer too, so in a brain that has suffered enough damage to develop alzheimer the connection between the astral and physical body will suffer, but when that person passes away and remains in the astral plane he/she'll be back to normal, the same when a new body is generated.
Now, you want scientifical proof about all this huh? otherwise is just magical thought replacing scientific thought
you'd have to give meditation a shot then, but not just for a few days, but make it a discipline and get to develop those centers of subtle perception within you.
Aas a last word I have to say that one of the strongest points of science, is one of it's great weaknesses as well. which is that nothing that can't be proven could be declared as existent.
While this has made science evolve with a solid and "foolproof base" it has also limited it's development until new technologies which provide new resources to prove hypotheses are developed, for example let's take the aether theory into consideration, when quantum physics arrived, they first embracede the aether concept, saying that if mechanical waves weave air, then electromagnetic waves such as light had to weave something as well, but as there were no ways to prove the existence of aether, it was later discarded and said that electromagnetic waves just travel around through space and time without any medium carrying them, and now the latest generation of scientists are reviving the old aether theory with another name, dark matter/energy, because they don't know what it is, they haven't proven that it exists, yet it completes the theory.
Once again, where is the evidence to your claims? There has been no evidence that accupuncture is a reliable medicine.
It just seems a little short-sighted to discount such an advanced and successful civilization that has lasted for tens of thousands of years and given the world so much. It is a reliable medicine based on the millions of people who have been successfully treated! It wouldn't continue if it was not successful. It IS a medical science and has far more satisfied customers than "modern western medicine" and has been around a lot longer too.
Aas a last word I have to say that one of the strongest points of science, is one of it's great weaknesses as well. which is that nothing that can't be proven could be declared as existent.
this is a great point. Scientists oftentimes are unwilling to walk through the very steps that would "prove" to them certain things that they claim do not exist.
It's like trying to "prove" to someone that you feel loved...you know it because you have feelings, you trust your feelings, you trust your experiences. But according to science that is hogwash because you can't prove it! Same things for the feelings of ecstasy, rapture that people experience during a beautiful piece of music, or sunset. According to science they don't exist because you can't prove them.
I know what my mind tells me, and I also know and trust what my experience tells me. I don't need to convince anyone of that. But to discount entire realms of life experience because science is so narrow in what it "believes" exists....is both anarrogant and shortsighted view.
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