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I would not suggest we use a particular set of Scriptures in a public school -- we know that will get the liberals in a tizzy. I'd suggest that merely the suggestion that a Creator could be a possibility for the existence of the universe and life would be a good way to present it.
I could live with, at the start of a course on evolution, a remark that the evidence that evolution of all life -forms took place over millions of years does not prove that there could not be an Intelligent designing and Creating mind behind it, though there is no reason to suppose it would be any one of the gods of any various religion, but in fact there is no valid evidence that any such designer exiss.
Then they could forget it and get on with the science.
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You may want to refresh your knowledge of the Dover trial then. Or did it slip your memory?
Indeed. But Vizio is rehearsing the post - Dover legal fiddle to try to disassociate I/D from Creationism in order to get around the ban on Religion in school classes and sneak it into the science class. but, as I mentioned, even if I/D could shed Creationism, it still would have no place in the science class, because it is not science.
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We've been saying that for awhile--Creationism is not a religion. It merely teaches that there is a Creator. That's it. There is no violation of the mythical separation of church and state if a school merely presents it as a possibility in a classroom.
Imagining a 'creator', a 'god', certainly does begin to establish religion, and most certainly *does* violate the Constitutional prohibition- to set standards in public schools, having the force of law, is a direct violation.
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...shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion...
The presupposition of some sort of 'creator'/'god'/'super-being'/etc. while lacking any observable and quantifiable evidence of such a thing is not scientific and has no business being taught as 'science'. It is not science, no matter how you want to spin it.
I'd suggest science only. It's a possible explanation for the existence of the universe.
So the Big Bang is an impossible explanation for the origin of the universe? I don't know but we are working on it is not a possible explanation? Only a creator is possible for the universe to exist. That does not sound like science at all. We don't know is far more scientific than your claim with no evidence.
Imagining a 'creator', a 'god', certainly does begin to establish religion, and most certainly *does* violate the Constitutional prohibition- to set standards in public schools, having the force of law, is a direct violation.
The presupposition of some sort of 'creator'/'god'/'super-being'/etc. while lacking any observable and quantifiable evidence of such a thing is not scientific and has no business being taught as 'science'. It is not science, no matter how you want to spin it.
I'd like to see an outline for the chapter in the science textbook on "Creation." What would it include? What scientific experiments were done under controlled laboratory conditions to test the hypothesis? What lab exercises do the students conduct? What are they expected to learn?
No, I clearly did not. Why do you purport to insinuate that I said something other than what I said?
Obviously, I did not specify any particular religion. Religiousity is implicit in the idea of a 'creator'/'god'. Not 'a' religion, just 'religion'. Period.
I don't think I can make it any simpler for you.
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