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Old 12-15-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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So do you believe Paul was speaking of him in 2 Tim 3:16?
The Bible as we know it hadn't yet been compiled at the time of Paul.

Outside of Protestantism, the Bible gets its authority from the Church, not the other way around. It's why the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches aren't utterly dependent on a single verse (2 Timothy 3:16) for the maintenance of their belief system.

In engineering terms, the Catholic and Orthodox churches have a more "robust" belief system, since said system doesn't have a single point of failure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_point_of_failure

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Old 12-15-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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The Bible as we know it hadn't even been compiled yet at the time of Paul.
He certainly considered his words to be inspired, as did Peter.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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He certainly considered his words to be inspired, as did Peter.
Where does Paul he says he believes his epistles to be infallible? He doesn't say that in your 2 Tim passage.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Where does Paul he says he believes his epistles to be infallible? He doesn't say that in your 2 Tim passage.
In the very same letter to Timothy that we're discussing, in 1 Timothy 5:18, he quotes from Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7. He considered Luke's Gospel to be Scripture. He knew the Canon wasn't limited to ONLY the Torah.

Peter also declared them to be.

2 Peter 3:15-16 “Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable men distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.â€

We also know that Paul claimed to be God's apostle to the Gentiles, and he made a distinction between his own opinion, and God's commands when writing to the Corinthian church. He made no such distinction here. it's clear that he believed they were from God.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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Where does he claim that his epistles are infallible?
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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He certainly considered his words to be inspired, as did Peter.
You completely missed the point.

In Paul's time, "scripture" was not the Bible of today, which hadn't even been compiled yet. The New Testament canon wasn't finalized until the fourth or fifth century.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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You completely missed the point.

In Paul's time, "scripture" was not the Bible of today, which hadn't even been compiled yet. The New Testament canon wasn't finalized until the fourth or fifth century.
I covered that above. He considered his words to be from God. Peter considered his words to be from God. Paul quoted Deuteronomy right alongside Luke--so he considered the NT to be equal to the OT.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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Where does he claim that his epistles are infallible?
The whole "God-breathed" thing pretty much covers it. If God breathed it, we can depend on it.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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The bible has more hypocrisy in it than Trump has in his promises.....
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:29 PM
 
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The bible has more hypocrisy in it than Trump has in his promises.....
red herring alert! red herring alert!
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