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Thank you to mensa, trans, arach, gaylen, nozz who have all pointed out astonishingly accurate parallels, and for providing the idea for this thread.
The topic of this thread is to highlight what we have in common.
The use of the equal sign in this thread is shorthand to indicate exact same behavior, or exact same mindset. Sort of a step beyond you do it too (which is just finger pointing and doesn't get us anywhere in discussing and understanding each other's views or the topics we are discussing in religion spirituality forum
to recognizing our blind spots and hopefully treating each other with increased dignity courtesy and respect.
Rabid atheist = rabid Christian = rabid spiritual but not religious
Person using the phrase rabid atheist = person using the phrase rabid Christian
Rabid = militant = extremist = attacking
Science doesn't know that yet = God works in mysterious ways
At least science can admit we don't know = his thoughts are not our thoughts
Not all atheists believe that = Not all religious people believe that
Your view of atheists is ridiculous and does not describe me at all = your view of why people are religious is way off the mark and bears no resemblance to me at all
Respect = dignity = courtesy
What parallels have you seen? How is recognizing them useful?
That reminded me of my attacking, angry, militant atheist ex.
I always said, 'I don't mind that he is atheist...but have you ever been with an attacking, angry, militant vegetarian...same thing!'
Can't take 'em anywhere!!! They're nuts! Bless their little hearts....
That reminded me of my attacking, angry, militant atheist ex.
I always said, 'I don't mind that he is atheist...but have you ever been with an attacking, angry, militant vegetarian...same thing!'
Can't take 'em anywhere!!! They're nuts! Bless their little hearts....
Nuts=enthusiastic......God only knows why. I'm my own kind of nut.
Thank you to mensa, trans, arach, gaylen, nozz who have all pointed out astonishingly accurate parallels, and for providing the idea for this thread.
The topic of this thread is to highlight what we have in common.
The use of the equal sign in this thread is shorthand to indicate exact same behavior, or exact same mindset. Sort of a step beyond you do it too (which is just finger pointing and doesn't get us anywhere in discussing and understanding each other's views or the topics we are discussing in religion spirituality forum
to recognizing our blind spots and hopefully treating each other with increased dignity courtesy and respect.
Rabid atheist = rabid Christian = rabid spiritual but not religious
Person using the phrase rabid atheist = person using the phrase rabid Christian
Rabid = militant = extremist = attacking
Science doesn't know that yet = God works in mysterious ways
At least science can admit we don't know = his thoughts are not our thoughts
Not all atheists believe that = Not all religious people believe that
Your view of atheists is ridiculous and does not describe me at all = your view of why people are religious is way off the mark and bears no resemblance to me at all
Respect = dignity = courtesy
What parallels have you seen? How is recognizing them useful?
That kind of nails it. nice work by you. and I am guilty as charged.
weak theist = weak atheists these personality types can sit and talk about things as they are, not how they want them to be.
not a real atheist = not a real theists. we all should be proud of these tag. It means rational.
I think we in the middle have far more common than we do differences. I also think that the two ends of this boob stick (I am the middle boob) have a lot in common but they must answer to a statement of belief without the anchor of knowledge statement.
you also alluded to what I have been saying since day one. List the personality traits of people. You will see them as "rabid", "calm", "thoughtful", "emotional", not emotional".
then list (create a table) how they would express their beliefs in christian god, spirituality, and deny/minimize anything that looks like religion can use it.
sorry, I am a literal scientific method person. I am not sure i want to let that go.
Let's draw parallels
Thank you to mensa, trans, arach, gaylen, nozz who have all pointed out astonishingly accurate parallels, and for providing the idea for this thread.
Kind of interesting that in your plea for a kinder and gentler dialogue, you thank everyone on the planet but dear old Troglodyte74 ... and then proceed to rely exclusively on ideas set forth in my posts. But that's OK - my reps-to-posts batting average sustains me.
Also kind of interesting that you come up with this "plea" only now that the regulars are getting their butts kicked up one side and down the other.
But all that aside, there are two fundamental problems with your plea:
On forums such as this, Christianity is a red flag for an entire herd of enraged bulls. There will never be a kinder, gentler response to Christianity on forums such as this.
For some religions, notably Christianity and Islam, proselytizing is part of the package. It is inherent in our belief systems that we are right, you are wrong, and your error is going to have drastic eternal consequences for you. I try to be low-key in my proselytizing, but I would not be here at all if I did not believe I were fulfilling the Great Commission. For the New Atheism, similarly, aggressive anti-Christian proselytizing is likewise part of the package.
The third fundamental problem is that some of us, including dear old Troglodyte74, enjoy intellectually kicking butt. In the marketplace of ideas, I have no obligation to play nice. I make my living not playing nice. If you want only warm and fuzzy dialogue, don't respond to my posts.
Plead guilty. I am human and have to battle with human foibles and impulses. We are sometimes unfair, dismissive, biased and judgemental.
But, rather than use that as an argument as to why this or that group is wrong, just try to do better but look at arguments on the evidence, not on how pleasant or unpleasant might be the person doing he argument.
......
"You know, you come across as attacking, judgemental, self -righteous and know-it-all."
"Sorry. I do try, but I'm only human,"
"That's not the reason; you do it because you know you are wrong."
"Doesn't that mean you know you are wrong when you do it?"
Kind of interesting that in your plea for a kinder and gentler dialogue, you thank everyone on the planet but dear old Troglodyte74 ... and then proceed to rely exclusively on ideas set forth in my posts. But that's OK - my reps-to-posts batting average sustains me.
Also kind of interesting that you come up with this "plea" only now that the regulars are getting their butts kicked up one side and down the other.
But all that aside, there are two fundamental problems with your plea:
On forums such as this, Christianity is a red flag for an entire herd of enraged bulls. There will never be a kinder, gentler response to Christianity on forums such as this.
For some religions, notably Christianity and Islam, proselytizing is part of the package. It is inherent in our belief systems that we are right, you are wrong, and your error is going to have drastic eternal consequences for you. I try to be low-key in my proselytizing, but I would not be here at all if I did not believe I were fulfilling the Great Commission. For the New Atheism, similarly, aggressive anti-Christian proselytizing is likewise part of the package.
The third fundamental problem is that some of us, including dear old Troglodyte74, enjoy intellectually kicking butt. In the marketplace of ideas, I have no obligation to play nice. I make my living not playing nice. If you want only warm and fuzzy dialogue, don't respond to my posts.
"There will never be a kinder gentler response" = "I'm not about to change"
"I have no obligation to play nice" = "it does not matter how I treat others" ="I lack a moral compass"
"I lack a moral compass" = "not a source of wisdom"
Plead guilty. I am human and have to battle with human foibles and impulses. We are sometimes unfair, dismissive, biased and judgemental.
But, rather than use that as an argument as to why this or that group is wrong, just try to do better but look at arguments on the evidence, not on how pleasant or unpleasant might be the person doing he argument.
......
"You know, you come across as attacking, judgemental, self -righteous and know-it-all."
"Sorry. I do try, but I'm only human,"
"That's not the reason; you do it because you know you are wrong."
"Doesn't that mean you know you are wrong when you do it?"
"Me? I never behave like that."
"It doesn't matter how you treat others" = "what matters is how fast you can talk in an argument" = not a source of wisdom
"Look at the evidence" = intentional repeated deception and dishonesty are evidence of lacking a moral compass = not to be trusted
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That reminded me of my attacking, angry, militant atheist ex.
I always said, 'I don't mind that he is atheist...but have you ever been with an attacking, angry, militant vegetarian...same thing!'
Can't take 'em anywhere!!! They're nuts! Bless their little hearts....
That kind of nails it. nice work by you. and I am guilty as charged.
weak theist = weak atheists these personality types can sit and talk about things as they are, not how they want them to be.
not a real atheist = not a real theists. we all should be proud of these tag. It means rational.
I think we in the middle have far more common than we do differences. I also think that the two ends of this boob stick (I am the middle boob) have a lot in common but they must answer to a statement of belief without the anchor of knowledge statement.
you also alluded to what I have been saying since day one. List the personality traits of people. You will see them as "rabid", "calm", "thoughtful", "emotional", not emotional".
then list (create a table) how they would express their beliefs in christian god, spirituality, and deny/minimize anything that looks like religion can use it.
sorry, I am a literal scientific method person. I am not sure i want to let that go.
Funny, everyone says they are guilty, hell, ya'll all guilty except me, I am never arrogant or judging, or biased, and never unkind, I may just be the perfect person, and O yeah, I DO KNOW IT ALL, lol.
Meh, we all guilty
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Bless their little hearts....
