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Old 03-30-2020, 05:33 AM
 
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I am free and wise
not only I obey those charged with authority but also I obey the one who I am going to return to him .
To Allah We belong, and to Him is our return
Nothing screams freedom more then the word obey.
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:08 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Nothing screams freedom more then the word obey.
Yes. This is the hidden message behind the religions with their offers of cure all remedies for human ills including death - control.

Duty is one thing; duty to our fellow human, and thus to ourselves, but 'ecause we say so' orders do not go down well. And if Christianity in its' US fundamentalist form has an unpleasant emphasis on Obey! Obey!, Islam is worse.

I'm holding fire on the Nigella's black powder nostrum. It might just turn out to have some effect on Cor 19 and I don't want egg o my face

But if it turns out that this is just a crap claim, it shows the evils of religions that will uncaringly put humans at risk just in hopes to score a small point for the religion.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:20 AM
 
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If all you're doing is obeying, you're not free..
not if you understand the word obey globally
O ye who believe!
Obey Allah,
and obey the Messenger,
and those charged with authority among you.
If ye differ in anything among yourselves,
refer it to Allah and His Messenger,
if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day:
That is best, and most suitable for final determination. The Holy Quran 4.59
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But you missed the main point of my post...intentionally.
that is a unquestionable evidence that you are wrong
many one could miss the main point but not intentionally.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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not if you understand the word obey globally
O ye who believe!
Obey Allah,
and obey the Messenger,
and those charged with authority among you.
If ye differ in anything among yourselves,
refer it to Allah and His Messenger,
if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day:
That is best, and most suitable for final determination. The Holy Quran 4.59
that is a unquestionable evidence that you are wrong
many one could miss the main point but not intentionally.
Quoting the Koran to a non-believer is a fool's errand.

Every is questionable to a truly free person.
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Old 03-31-2020, 01:09 AM
 
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Nothing screams freedom more then the word obey.
not to a believer
we are honored servants to Allah
only to him
and if we obey any thing that is because it is directed by Allah
any thing else we have the freedom and we are free
Allah is the owner of this planet
also he is the owner of us
he is the one that we shall return to him after we die
he is one that reward to heaven and punish to hell
logically and wisely we must obey him with love and loyalty.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:33 AM
 
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not to a believer


we are honored servants to Allah
only to him


and if we obey any thing that is because it is directed by Allah


any thing else we have the freedom and we are free


Allah is the owner of this planet



[b]also he is the owner of us [/b)


he is the one that we shall return to him after we die


he is one that reward to heaven and punish to hell


logically and wisely we must obey him with love and loyalty.
True believers are incapable of thinking for themselves other than to obey.

They are convinced the word obey means something other than it means.

Beep beep boop bop.

You are not free mr robot
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:47 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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not to a believer
we are honored servants to Allah
only to him
and if we obey any thing that is because it is directed by Allah
any thing else we have the freedom and we are free
Allah is the owner of this planet
also he is the owner of us
he is the one that we shall return to him after we die
he is one that reward to heaven and punish to hell
logically and wisely we must obey him with love and loyalty.
Believers in other religions will not be inclined to refer anything to 'Allah' (which means submitting to the sprokesmen for the Muslim religion) let alone those who do not credit any god -claim.

Preaching Islamic Authority will cut no ice here.
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Old 03-31-2020, 06:53 PM
 
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Quoting the Koran to a non-believer is a fool's errand.
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it might guide someone with unblinded heart
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Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15 View Post
Beep beep boop bop.

You are not free mr robot
a robot to the creator not a robot to Satan
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Believers in other religions will not be inclined to refer anything to 'Allah'
Allah is the name of the god in all the languages
and there is only one true religion and its main message is submission to the creator
in other word obey the creator
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Old 03-31-2020, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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it might guide someone with unblinded heart

...
So if I start quoting Buddhist scriptures, or a protestant christian starts quoting the bible, or a catholic starts quoting the bible, you'll seriously consider converting? No? So you have a blinded heart?
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:08 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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it might guide someone with unblinded heart

a robot to the creator not a robot to Satan

Allah is the name of the god in all the languages
and there is only one true religion and its main message is submission to the creator
in other word obey the creator
That's what the Christians say, too - 'It's all the same god'.

But then the question is: 'even if it is just one god, which is the true religion?'

What do you think, TT?

How do you make one religion the right one?
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