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Please don't change the subject. I didn't say he made them do anything. I said that according to Genesis our inherent sense of right and wrong derives from Adam and Eve's eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Thus our sense of right and wrong was not given to us by God. It was achieved despite God's wishes.
Ohhh, i see... yes. I hadn't looked at it that way, if Eve hadn't taken the temptation, then tempted Adam and every other person continued in
right-use-ness. We would not need our conscience, seeing as there would be nothing to correct?
Maybe that is what the tree of knowledge is, our consciousness of good and evil.
God did have it available, but did say to not eat of it.
Of course you are judging us. You're saying "This is the Right Way, and yours is the wrong way."
I prefer to say that there are many ways to be a good person. If you need the crutch of religion to achieve that for you, then go for it. Just don't tell me that I need to be saved, that god is the true way, or that you'll pray for me. I choose to live in the real world, not one composed of fantasies. To me, those are ridiculous notions which have no place in the modern world.
I take responsibility for every one of my own actions, and when something bad or good happens to me it is certainly NOT the will of any deity. I make my own heaven or hell right here on earth. I am a good person simply because it's the right thing to do, and not because I'll have any punishment or reward awaiting when I die.
And you are judging us saying that our beliefs are futile.
Jesus said there is only one way to be good and it has nothing to do with works.
To God your best works are filthy rags.
The Bible states that we all have FALLEN SHORT of the glory of God.
God does not care what your personal standard of good is. God has set the true standard of good.
And you are judging us saying that our beliefs are futile.
You found a way to brain wash 2 billion people, have them all worship a "pope" and that guy above. What's his name? Oh, yeah. "God". Whomever he is.
Oh, and, you also got people to believe you can live in a whale's stomach, and how it's possible to become pregnant without opening your legs. Oh, oh oh. And, that you can live to hundreds of years old. How old was Adam's son? 442? something like that?
not to mention, your own "sacred" text clearly promotes the usage of slaves. and countless of other things (that are looked down upon in modern societies).
You guys are the real deal.
By no means, do I think that any atheist would say your beliefs aren't effective.
You found a way to brain wash 2 billion people, have them all worship a "pope" and that guy above. What's his name? Oh, yeah. "God". Whomever he is.
Oh, and, you also got people to believe you can live in a whale's stomach, and how it's possible to become pregnant without opening your legs. Oh, oh oh. And, that you can live to hundreds of years old. How old was Adam's son? 442? something like that?
not to mention, your own "sacred" text clearly promotes the usage of slaves. and countless of other things (that are looked down upon in modern societies).
You guys are the real deal.
By no means, do I think that any atheist would say your beliefs aren't effective.
Do I smell some judging? ; )
I don't worship the Pope. The Bible never says to worship a pope. I stick to the Bible. People become attached to the laws of men and contradict the Bible, that give Christians a bad name.
People use to say that it is impossible for the Hebrews to cross the Red Sea. Now YOU can go and see chariots, chariot wheels, human and animal remains, and spears spread across the Red Sea for miles.
You found a way to brain wash 2 billion people, have them all worship a "pope" and that guy above. What's his name? Oh, yeah. "God". Whomever he is.
Oh, and, you also got people to believe you can live in a whale's stomach, and how it's possible to become pregnant without opening your legs. Oh, oh oh. And, that you can live to hundreds of years old. How old was Adam's son? 442? something like that?
not to mention, your own "sacred" text clearly promotes the usage of slaves. and countless of other things (that are looked down upon in modern societies).
You guys are the real deal.
By no means, do I think that any atheist would say your beliefs aren't effective.
If you lived in the times of the old testament, you may have a different perspective to social order, and rules of conduct.
Comparisons of today and 5,000 yrs. ago are not that meaningful.
You found a way to brain wash 2 billion people, have them all worship a "pope" and that guy above. What's his name? Oh, yeah. "God". Whomever he is.
Oh, and, you also got people to believe you can live in a whale's stomach, and how it's possible to become pregnant without opening your legs. Oh, oh oh. And, that you can live to hundreds of years old. How old was Adam's son? 442? something like that?
not to mention, your own "sacred" text clearly promotes the usage of slaves. and countless of other things (that are looked down upon in modern societies).
You guys are the real deal.
By no means, do I think that any atheist would say your beliefs aren't effective.
P.s.
If we were simply brainwashed... why are the detailed prophecies of the Bible coming true.
If you lived in the times of the old testament, you may have a different perspective to social order, and rules of conduct.
Comparisons of today and 5,000 yrs. ago are not that meaningful.
What did Jesus teach?
godspeed,
freedom
If they aren't meaningful, why are they still being preached about?
Perhaps you should create a modern bible. I mean, it's easy, replace slaves with "hoes".
Personally, I don't think Jesus taught anything. What would you say?
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If we were simply brainwashed... why are the detailed prophecies of the Bible coming true.
Uh.. What ones are those?
At any rate, if they are accurate or not, it's probably nothing more than a sheer coincidence.
No one can tell the future. Unless, you are saying old-age christians are like those freaks who read crystal balls.
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People use to say that it is impossible for the Hebrews to cross the Red Sea. Now YOU can go and see chariots, chariot wheels, human and animal remains, and spears spread across the Red Sea for miles.
I'm not quite sure what you are getting at..
If you are saying the bible stated that it was impossible for the hebrews to cross the red sea... then, I never claimed that the bible wasn't real. Personally, I think it has some realistic features in it, but, then again. Don't all fairytales have realistic features, as well? :P
You found a way to brain wash 2 billion people, have them all worship a "pope" and that guy above. What's his name? Oh, yeah. "God". Whomever he is.
First, it's been said, but I will re-emphasize, no one worships the pope, let alone 2 billion.
Most of the atheists/agnostics who post here are pretty well read on most of the world religions. So, I am going to laugh at your statement as being facetious. Because it is laughable whether you were being sarcastic or not.
I don't think any of the christians are brain-washed. That is a poor choice of words. I tend to believe had they been born and raised in another country, most would be true believers of whatever faith they were indoctrinated with as a child.
But since they were raised on sunday school, they become christians. A lot of wisdom comes in various forms, from sitting atop a mountain in a buddhist monastery to a church-tent revival in backwoods Oklahoma.
I do think some folks, both religious and un-religious or even semi-religious, believe they have exclusive rights to the ONLY truth and will plug their ears and sing lalalalalalalalallalala whenever confronted with other perspectives.
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