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Old 04-11-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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Do you know what the math is or are you bluffing . Do the math.
Or are you afraid what it will show.
You will notice only ad hominem attacks, showing no evidence as usual. They can only attack the person not the reality.
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Old 04-11-2018, 05:37 PM
 
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1. The big bang.
Aka creation.
In my lifetime there was a time when loudmouth atheists were telling everyone the bible was wrong, science proved the universe was not created, it always was.

2. The cosmological constant, the implication and strong evidence of design is accepted by most physicists. It makes them so uneasy they cobbled up an imaginary multiverse to try to evade the non imaginary evidence.

3. Age of the universe.
If you stood at the singularity and went with the expansion of the universe, you would be about 14.5 B light yrs away.
Due to relativity you would not have experienced 14.5 B yrs.
The time you experience would be around 6 thousand yrs.
1) no reason not to think 'born". Its better than "poof there it is"

2) homeostasis is a better description than "designed by a christian god". Homeostasis is supported by science. Its also misused by by some denominations of atheists and theists.

3) Lmao, the fact that you need 6000 years is a red flag. Time doesn't matter, only life matters.

again, all 3 notions are changed by some atheists and some theists to meet personal emotional needs.
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Old 04-11-2018, 05:38 PM
 
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You will notice only ad hominem attacks, showing no evidence as usual. They can only attack the person not the reality.
lmao, in that he is just like some of us. or is that some of us are just like him?
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Begging the question is a fallacy. You must have run out of straw.



You not understanding the maths makes you so uneasy you cobbled up a most improbable god. Remember, 67% is far, far, far greater than something with a lot of zeroes after the point.

But well done for the poison well fallacy, it adds to the straw man reason for the theory.



Mmmh, invented maths. For when fallacies are getting boring.
Rep to you for the correct use of "begging the question".
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Old 04-12-2018, 03:50 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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You will notice only ad hominem attacks, showing no evidence as usual. They can only attack the person not the reality.
On the contrary. It is the logic and the evidence we discus. It is rather your side taking personally regards it as 'ad hominem'. So far as I can remember it is rather the believer side that relishes an exchage of personals.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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On the contrary. It is the logic and the evidence we discus. It is rather your side taking personally regards it as 'ad hominem'. So far as I can remember it is rather the believer side that relishes an exchage of personals.
"its them that are the problem, not us." or "we have the real truth"

same ol' same ol' from certain denominations of atheism and theism.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Do you know what the math is or are you bluffing . Do the math.
Or are you afraid what it will show.
We did go with the expansion of the universe, that is what the big bang is. So I would be 13,7 billion from what, exactly? Not the centre of the universe, because there is no such thing.

Relativity refers to the difference in time between two observers. So where is the second observer? Not at the singularity, otherwise I would not exist. There is no second observer. So there is no maths to compute.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Germany
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You will notice only ad hominem attacks, showing no evidence as usual. They can only attack the person not the reality.
The evidence has been shown, over and over. You must have missed it.
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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We did go with the expansion of the universe, that is what the big bang is. So I would be 13,7 billion from what, exactly? Not the centre of the universe, because there is no such thing.

Relativity refers to the difference in time between two observers. So where is the second observer? Not at the singularity, otherwise I would not exist. There is no second observer. So there is no maths to compute.
Good for you for at least having a go.
You are the second observer, the first was present at the big bang and is now ,using your figure , 13.7B light yrs out there.

The time differential is 13.7B vs 6k.
So the next time a creationist nutjob says the 6k yr old universe was created in an instant you should ask...how did they know?
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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1) no reason not to think 'born". Its better than "poof there it is"

2) homeostasis is a better description than "designed by a christian god". Homeostasis is supported by science. Its also misused by by some denominations of atheists and theists.

3) Lmao, the fact that you need 6000 years is a red flag. Time doesn't matter, only life matters.

again, all 3 notions are changed by some atheists and some theists to meet personal emotional needs.
Actually the line is "time not important, only life important".

The 5th element was a fun movie.
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