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Old 05-17-2018, 12:18 PM
 
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What machine do I worship?
Those who don't elevate a "god" tend to elevate the insect colony, or machine, that is the "people" or proletariat. Which is the exact opposite concept of god, by definition. Any denial of god is the elevation of the machine, or the animal.

If theology and politics aren't your strong suits, maybe consider bailing out of the conversation now. I'll be content to leave it here.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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People who thought the world was flat outnumbered Columbus too. The majority is often wrong.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Most of the "first world countries" can fit into one or two states in the US. Political geography is regional. It is illegitimate to generalize LA's crime-rate to South Dakota, for instance. You are simply operating under the false assumption that words like "the United States" have meaning when comparing things like crime rate. You have to compare regions, and in this instance you are making a comparison between religious regions in the US and non-religious regions in Europe.

What else are you comparing? White regions in Europe.

So, compare apples to apples. Take White, probably Scandinavian, religious regions in the USA and compare them to white atheist regions in Scandinavian Europe. Adjust for comparable population density. See what you up come up with. Suburban to rural Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and the Dakotas would probably be the closest (ie: having the least variables that would need to be controlled for) and thus would be the most valid comparisons.
USA is much, much more violent than it's neighbor, Canada. Canada has a more diverse mixture of people.

USA has the world's highest rate of prison inmates, and the highest number period. Proud to be a 'Murican?
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Those who don't elevate a "god" tend to elevate the insect colony, or machine, that is the "people" or proletariat. Which is the exact opposite concept of god, by definition. Any denial of god is the elevation of the machine, or the animal.

If theology and politics aren't your strong suits, maybe consider bailing out of the conversation now. I'll be content to leave it here.

No, no, I find this all quite fascinating. Do go on.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You're in denial. The US is more violent than the rest of the First World countries by far.
I'm not sure I agree with that, but considering that we have one of the biggest prison rates per capita...you may have something there.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Most of the "first world countries" can fit into one or two states in the US. Political geography is regional. It is illegitimate to generalize LA's crime-rate to South Dakota, for instance. You are simply operating under the false assumption that words like "the United States" have meaning when comparing things like crime rate. You have to compare regions, and in this instance you are making a comparison between religious regions in the US and non-religious regions in Europe.
Oh, okay. So what region of the United States has a history of the most lynchings? Could it possibly be the most religious part of the United States? The bible belt? Lynchings:By State and Race,1882-1968 *
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Do the irreligious outnumber the religious?
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Most of the "first world countries" can fit into one or two states in the US. Political geography is regional. It is illegitimate to generalize LA's crime-rate to South Dakota, for instance. You are simply operating under the false assumption that words like "the United States" have meaning when comparing things like crime rate. You have to compare regions, and in this instance you are making a comparison between religious regions in the US and non-religious regions in Europe.

What else are you comparing? White regions in Europe.

So, compare apples to apples. Take White, probably Scandinavian, religious regions in the USA and compare them to white atheist regions in Scandinavian Europe. Adjust for comparable population density. See what you up come up with. Suburban to rural Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and the Dakotas would probably be the closest (ie: having the least variables that would need to be controlled for) and thus would be the most valid comparisons.
You'd have to substantiate that claim by showing violent crime as a percentage of populace (not as a total per country) and compare that with a similar percentage figure for US states. Then you might have a case.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:59 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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No, no, I find this all quite fascinating. Do go on.
Especially as for the first time, something like a point (humanity, being the point of emphasis rather than a mythological being) seems to be emerging.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:00 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Do the irreligious outnumber the religious?
Do the 'nones' outnumber any one of the religious sects that consider themselves the Only True Religion?
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