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Old 05-19-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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What is the percentage of irreligious inmates in prisons?
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Old 05-19-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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school shootings are going up also. less false hope = no point for some.
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Old 05-19-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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What is the percentage of irreligious inmates in prisons?
what they don't tell you is that there are far more believers in something. Like we are part of a larger more complex system that can can described as life.

of course that makes sense because that belief is science based.
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Old 05-19-2018, 11:43 PM
 
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school shootings are going up also. less false hope = no point for some.
That's a good point. I wonder what the religious beliefs of those school shooters are? We know what religious beliefs of David Koresh had. Hang on - didn't he sex other men's wives? Even to the extent of banning them from having sex with their own wives?

Then there was the Jonestown massacre, also committed by a strongly religious person. Christian in fact.



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Old 05-20-2018, 12:17 AM
 
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We'll see how worshiping the machine works out for you in the long run. Similar to how worshiping an insect colony would, I predict.
Worshiping what machine?

The machine you're typing on right now?
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:21 AM
 
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Those who don't elevate a "god" tend to elevate the insect colony, or machine, that is the "people" or proletariat. Which is the exact opposite concept of god, by definition. Any denial of god is the elevation of the machine, or the animal.

If theology and politics aren't your strong suits, maybe consider bailing out of the conversation now. I'll be content to leave it here.
That was a stretch.
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:36 AM
 
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Those who don't elevate a "god" tend to elevate the insect colony, or machine, that is the "people" or proletariat.
WOW where did you get this indoctrination from? Or did you just conjure this up in your mind?

The horrors that the human species have engaged in since recorded history (predominantly by the male species) are nothing that deserves being elevated or placed on a pedestal.

You are living in total delusion to think that those who don't elevate a god tend to elevate humans instead. That's truly a far stretch!

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Old 05-20-2018, 05:04 AM
 
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I don't think the believers really do their cause any good by trying to make their theistical fantasies look more appealing by peeing over humans, our technology, learning and science, especially when we point out how they are helping themselves to all the benefits of a safer, easier and more comfortable life than humans have ever had, and with more opportunity to learn, enjoy and experience than anyone could have imagined - and they then turn around and talk about it as though it was trash.

The best and classic example of this was what i will post again as it is really required watching. I now call the 'appeal to unknows' the Venomfang fallacy, and he also pees over scientific knowledge in hopes to make theistic fantasy look a bit more credible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0pjFr_vS5U

It bears reposting as this fellow is (or was - he should have been as surely debunked as Hovingd Ham, Lane - Craig, Strobel and Stein ...and pretty much all the rest of them) one of the most watched Creationist apologists on the web. And now one of the most soundly debunked, and indeed discredited.

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Old 05-20-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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I don't think the believers really do their cause any good by trying to make their theistical fantasies look more appealing by peeing over humans, our technology, learning and science, especially when we point out how they are helping themselves to all the benefits of a safer, easier and more comfortable life than humans have ever had, and with more opportunity to learn, enjoy and experience than anyone could have imagined - and they then turn around and talk about it as though it was trash.

The best and classic example of this was what i will post again as it is really required watching. I now call the 'appeal to unknows' the Venomfang fallacy, and he also pees over scientific knowledge in hopes to make theistic fantasy look a bit more credible.

It bears reposting as this fellow is (or was - he should have been as surely debunked as Hovingd Ham, Lane - Craig, Strobel and Stein ...and pretty much all the rest of them) one of the most watched Creationist apologists on the web. And now one of the most soundly debunked, and indeed discredited.
Their whole theology is based upon killing their god and then feasting upon his body. Leave them alone for chrissakes. Let them do their crazy thing as they feel led. Lol. Besides don't we need uncritical thinkers who will do the labor no one else will stoop to.
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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That's a good point. I wonder what the religious beliefs of those school shooters are? We know what religious beliefs of David Koresh had. Hang on - didn't he sex other men's wives? Even to the extent of banning them from having sex with their own wives?

Then there was the Jonestown massacre, also committed by a strongly religious person. Christian in fact.
well, ol' Jimmie and korsh are bad examples. i call that natural selection. those people followed those nut jobs from day one.

we have stalin and mao as what happens in an anti-religious society. and we have the middle east as comparison to a theists society.

I don't like either choice. I say believe what you want, help the people around you.

"irreligious", or "believers in something" will always out number the "deny anything for anti-religion reasons" denomination of atheism.

'atheism" will take over, meaning that. Over time people's connections to their surroundings tend adjust to the observation. thats a good thing. this over seer thing will go away.
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