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To creation--they stand back and see a mass of confusion in 34,000 different religions claiming to be Christian. Satan owns mortals. He has had 99% minimum mislead throughout. Mortals are not very intelligent.
As I told someone else ...
I actually tend to feel a bit sorry for anyone who still sees the world through the lens of demons and devils prowling the earth looking for souls to snatch while angelic hosts in Heaven gird up their loins to do battle with the Legions of Hell ... and all of that nonsense.
I just couldn't imagine having a worldview so rooted in Medieval superstition.
While I don't deny that a solution to war is urgently needed, simply refusing to be part of the country that you and your religion leech off while refusing to do their bit when the nation needs it is not going to impress me as something admirable,..................
I find Christians live all over the Earth in different countries or nations or islands.
Since the God of the Bible will bring an end to war as per Psalm 46:9, then God will do the fighting.
Christians living in one country or nations would Not kill a fellow Christian living in another country or nation.
Jesus taught his followers would Not pick up the sword - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10.
Christians respect their country by honestly paying their taxes and loving neighbor as Jesus loved neighbor.
Christians do Not speak bad about their ruler - Acts 23:5 B; Exodus 22:28 - but respect the authorities as long as the 'powers that be' do Not want them to break God's Law - Acts 5:29 B. Killing for nation or country as being the same as killing for God is Not what the Bible really teaches.
Please notice Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-16 because Jesus with 'angelic armies' will be doing the fighting.
As I told someone else ...
I actually tend to feel a bit sorry for anyone who still sees the world through the lens of demons and devils prowling the earth looking for souls to snatch while angelic hosts in Heaven gird up their loins to do battle with the Legions of Hell ... and all of that nonsense.......
What is expressed ^ above ^ is Not what we can really learn from the Bible.
Jesus does have ' angelic armies ' according to Revelation 19:14-16 but at a coming time, the battle is against the wicked such as those of Isaiah 11:3-4; Psalm 92:7. The upright will remain as per Proverbs 2:21-22.
We are nearing a soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
The figurative humble 'sheep'-like people can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth begins. There will be ' healing ' for earth's nations as per Rev. 22:2.
That is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring global international Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill when mankind will see the return of the Genesis " Tree of Life " for the healing of earth's nations.
As I told someone else ...to do battle with the Legions of Hell ... and all of that nonsense.
In Scripture there is 'No battle with the Legions of Hell' because biblical hell is just the grave for dead mankind.
The temporary stone-cold grave for dead people who are in a sleep-like state as Jesus taught at John 11:11-14.
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scripture which also teach sleep in death - Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4.
The sleeping dead know ' nothing ' according to Ecclesiastes 9:5.
So, often a religious-myth hell is just taught as being biblical hell, but that just is a religious lie to scare people.
Can anyone think of anyone righteous who went to hell _______
The day righteous Jesus died he went to hell as per Acts 2:27. Not to fire, but to unconscious sleep in the grave.
If the Bible's hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in biblical hell, instead his God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell - Acts 3:15.
Biblical hell comes to a final end at Revelation 20:13-14.
After everyone person (No demons in hell only dead people) all in biblical hell are ' delivered up ' ( meaning resurrected out of biblical hell- Rev. 1:18 ) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic 'second death ' for vacated hell.
So, in other words, hell dies out of existence forever, and 'enemy death' will be No more as per 1st Corinthians 15:26.
Mortals had to learn that God is correct in every decision he makes
Except he's not. So we had to learn a lie.
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Our first human parents chose this satan ruled system.
No, they chose to eat a forbidden fruit.
They had no idea that doing so would create the total and complete chaos that God punished them with. I don't even think Adam and Eve were even aware of Satan's existence.
And never mind the fact that, according to the Bible, Eve hadn't even been created yet when God gave his warning to Adam. And only Adam. Yet it *was* Eve, after all, who was tempted. I mean, how convenient was that?
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God will make sure all learn very well because of that choice.
Heh, God wasn't interested in teaching anyone anything with that over-the-top, beyond-the-pale punishment for that one naive act of disobedience.
All he cared about was getting revenge on his own creation for daring to defy him, for pinging his ego in a way God didn't like.
Yet the Bible DID teach us something: That God is vindictive, malicious, mean-spirited, and wholly unjust. What the Bible did teach a lot of people was how to deconvert to atheism. I doubt God had that effect in mind when he flew off into a blind rage.
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His kingdom rule will put an end to this system and his kingdom is a cure all.
Yes, that is precisely what all tyrants, autocrats, fascists, and dictators tell their people.
"Put all of your trust in me ... grant me the power to fix our problems and I swear, I will fix them." Then, within the next two weeks everyone loses all of their civil liberties. Within a month, the first concentration camps are open to house political prisoners. Within a year, millions of innocent people are dead ...
Considering the way God treated humanity in the Old Testament, I would expect exactly what I said above to happen, only the death toll will be much higher.
Even if these predictions of a "glorious kingdom of god" were at all true, its arrival would be something to dread, not something to look forward to.
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With all the technology they have,they promise to make things better yet they still keep destroying Gods earth for $$$$--its all they seek.
The irony here is that the vast, vast majority of those who are destroying the planet for money are all Christians -- many of them quite devout and all of them politically conservative.
We atheists, who tend to lean toward liberalism, are often the ones trying to put a stop to it ... along with more liberal denominations of Christianity.
I'm certainly not saying that atheists are the only ones fighting the good fight -- no, not at all. There are a lot of good folks from all the world's major religions trying to do their part in saving the earth.
But the biggest offenders, those who have deregulated damn near every piece of environmental legislation, well, if you wish to find them, you needn't look much further than the nearest fundevangelist mega-church.
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There is no doubt whatsoever--satan has 99% mislead.
There is no Satan.
And as long as people keep blaming our problems on Satan, we'll never be able to actually solve them since we'll be chasing after ghosts in the attic instead of acknowledging truths and reality.
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The bible clearly shows every govt on earth is standing in opposition to Jesus
As well they should. Jesus has no business being anywhere near the government. I actually enjoy living in a free society.
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Yet the blind guides let the followers vote for a mortal king,( 2Peter 2:19) when Jesus is the only vote they ever needed. Its they who fail Jesus.
Religious despotism is still despotism.
It's also interesting to note, for those who actually believe that the United States government and its laws were founded on Judeo-Christian ideals, the 10 Commandments, and the Bible ... that right here you have the exact opposite sentiment being expressed. There should be no democracy, no voting, no government of, by, and for the people.
Nope, just religious despotism whereby there is only ever one candidate -- and those who aren't backing Jesus, well ... I guess there's no one else to back. Which sounds suspiciously like a Russian election involving Vladimir Putin.
I actually tend to feel a bit sorry for anyone who still sees the world through the lens of demons and devils prowling the earth looking for souls to snatch while angelic hosts in Heaven gird up their loins to do battle with the Legions of Hell ... and all of that nonsense.
I just couldn't imagine having a worldview so rooted in Medieval superstition.
This is coming-Rev 16-- so you will see firsthand how wrong you are.
They had no idea that doing so would create the total and complete chaos that God punished them with. I don't even think Adam and Eve were even aware of Satan's existence.
And never mind the fact that, according to the Bible, Eve hadn't even been created yet when God gave his warning to Adam. And only Adam. Yet it *was* Eve, after all, who was tempted. I mean, how convenient was that?
Heh, God wasn't interested in teaching anyone anything with that over-the-top, beyond-the-pale punishment for that one naive act of disobedience.
All he cared about was getting revenge on his own creation for daring to defy him, for pinging his ego in a way God didn't like.
Yet the Bible DID teach us something: That God is vindictive, malicious, mean-spirited, and wholly unjust. What the Bible did teach a lot of people was how to deconvert to atheism. I doubt God had that effect in mind when he flew off into a blind rage.
Yes, that is precisely what all tyrants, autocrats, fascists, and dictators tell their people.
"Put all of your trust in me ... grant me the power to fix our problems and I swear, I will fix them." Then, within the next two weeks everyone loses all of their civil liberties. Within a month, the first concentration camps are open to house political prisoners. Within a year, millions of innocent people are dead ...
Considering the way God treated humanity in the Old Testament, I would expect exactly what I said above to happen, only the death toll will be much higher.
Even if these predictions of a "glorious kingdom of god" were at all true, its arrival would be something to dread, not something to look forward to.
The irony here is that the vast, vast majority of those who are destroying the planet for money are all Christians -- many of them quite devout and all of them politically conservative.
We atheists, who tend to lean toward liberalism, are often the ones trying to put a stop to it ... along with more liberal denominations of Christianity.
I'm certainly not saying that atheists are the only ones fighting the good fight -- no, not at all. There are a lot of good folks from all the world's major religions trying to do their part in saving the earth.
But the biggest offenders, those who have deregulated damn near every piece of environmental legislation, well, if you wish to find them, you needn't look much further than the nearest fundevangelist mega-church.
There is no Satan.
And as long as people keep blaming our problems on Satan, we'll never be able to actually solve them since we'll be chasing after ghosts in the attic instead of acknowledging truths and reality.
As well they should. Jesus has no business being anywhere near the government. I actually enjoy living in a free society.
Religious despotism is still despotism.
It's also interesting to note, for those who actually believe that the United States government and its laws were founded on Judeo-Christian ideals, the 10 Commandments, and the Bible ... that right here you have the exact opposite sentiment being expressed. There should be no democracy, no voting, no government of, by, and for the people.
Nope, just religious despotism whereby there is only ever one candidate -- and those who aren't backing Jesus, well ... I guess there's no one else to back. Which sounds suspiciously like a Russian election involving Vladimir Putin.
2Cor 4:4= your views.
Where is there a free society--do not say the usa because that is a lie. God gave free will. Liars say it comes from men blowing each others heads off. You cant do a thing in the USA unless you PAY $ to be able to do it.
And how is it that corrupt politicians offer freedom to anyone when they themselves are slaves to their depravity?
The usa is founded on--traitors rebelled against the sovereign of the usa, then killed, stole, enslaved--Where are the Christian values? Only the blind believe your words.
You really believe this govt is for the people? Govt in the usa = organized crime. The corporations buy and sell these worthless hearts daily because $$$ is their god. Only a moron would vote a rich man into office.
How blind can one be such as you. 10 years ago congress had a law--they could do insider trading legally while they had anyone else arrested and imprisioned. This world is blind to fact.
Jesus laid his life down to be king-- mortal kings are bought and sold daily. Jesus has the right. My King. My only vote ever.
This is coming-Rev 16-- so you will see firsthand how wrong you are.
Empty threats - based on a religious text by someone in sore need of a straitjacket.
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2Cor 4:4= your views.
Where is there a free society--do not say the usa because that is a lie. God gave free will. Liars say it comes from men blowing each others heads off. You cant do a thing in the USA unless you PAY $ to be able to do it.
And how is it that corrupt politicians offer freedom to anyone when they themselves are slaves to their depravity?
The usa is founded on--traitors rebelled against the sovereign of the usa, then killed, stole, enslaved--Where are the Christian values? Only the blind believe your words.
You really believe this govt is for the people? Govt in the usa = organized crime. The corporations buy and sell these worthless hearts daily because $$$ is their god. Only a moron would vote a rich man into office.
How blind can one be such as you. 10 years ago congress had a law--they could do insider trading legally while they had anyone else arrested and imprisioned. This world is blind to fact.
Jesus laid his life down to be king-- mortal kings are bought and sold daily. Jesus has the right. My King. My only vote ever.
Sorry Shirina, I hope you are feeling well enough to take this one on as it just makes me feel I'm wasting my effort/.
All of the Christians on this thread are SO SURE that their beliefs apply to everyone, and my point has been (along with some other folks) that they MUST allow for the multiple other beliefs that exist in the world. There are literally thousands of religions, and millions of people who have no religion at all. And -- it's OK. We're all human. Kindness rules. Live and let live. Do unto others, etc. PLEASE accept that your beliefs only apply to yourselves, and CANNOT be applied to those who have other truths. That way, we can move towards peace, which should be all we want.
All of the Christians on this thread are SO SURE that their beliefs apply to everyone, and my point has been (along with some other folks) that they MUST allow for the multiple other beliefs that exist in the world. There are literally thousands of religions, and millions of people who have no religion at all. And -- it's OK. We're all human. Kindness rules. Live and let live. Do unto others, etc. PLEASE accept that your beliefs only apply to yourselves, and CANNOT be applied to those who have other truths. That way, we can move towards peace, which should be all we want.
The only thing that I would disagree with is that "Kindness rules".
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