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Old 12-13-2018, 06:08 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I do not believe in Zeus. And to form this belief I do NOT require or demand any evidence from anyone. This is my choice for which I don't need an evidence.

See the difference?
Did you intend to state you believe Zeus does not exist? That has a different meaning from "I do not believe in Zeus".

I also require no evidence to lack belief in Zeus. Lack of belief is my default position; to move from that default position requires evidence.
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:08 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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You have a point there. There's the formal definition, and then there's how individuals see themselves and others as related to that definition.
Yes. There's a knock -on implication of how not buying into the God -claim affects our lives. There are different Kinds of atheists but not really different kinds of atheism. I know there is supposed to be 'soft' atheism and 'hard' atheism.But that is more to do with the nature of the god -claim being made. For example, we can say that the god of the Bible does not exist and we can 'prove' it (though undeniable evidence counts for nothing with believers) and we can be pretty sure about an intervening god, though that is more about doubting the evidence of intervention in human affairs. We can also not be persuaded by First cause claims, but we simply "Don't Know". That is pretty "soft" atheism, but is still the same "Don't believe the God -claim" and is of course, the same atheist.
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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That's exactly what the issue we are trying to resolve.

Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.

But he/she is too shy or scared and seem to have some sort of guilty consciousness to admit that he is an Atheist who believes in things only when they are supported by evidence.
I thought the issue was your claim that momentus had stated "I believe there is no god".
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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It's not an illusion if there is a new spirit joining people where two or more are gathered in God's name. The spirit cannot be measured by human beings, but that doesn't mean that it is not there.
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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It's not an illusion if there is a new spirit joining people where two or more are gathered in God's name. The spirit cannot be measured by human beings, but that doesn't mean that it is not there.
Ozzy, mate, you are just slapping the God -label on human feelings.
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Old 12-13-2018, 10:43 PM
 
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People say they have FAITH that God exist. There is no “claim†in it.

It’s actually YOU who claims that God does not exist - now bring your evidence!
I thought Religious People say that it takes "more FAITH" to be Atheist than to be religious (because they think their particular religion is true and well-evidenced while atheism cannot be evidenced as long as the postulate is that the God wants to hide or happens to hide).

Whatever happened to that line of apologetic?
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Germany
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It's not an illusion if there is a new spirit joining people where two or more are gathered in God's name. The spirit cannot be measured by human beings, but that doesn't mean that it is not there.
And that same feeling about other gods logically means that your one and only god can not exist.
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:26 AM
 
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And that same feeling about other gods logically means that your one and only god can not exist.
I don't know that spirit is. You are the one who is trying to dismiss it by defining it as something ridiculous, and then trying to portray me as believing that. That is dishonest.
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:51 AM
 
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I don't know that spirit is. You are the one who is trying to dismiss it by defining it as something ridiculous, and then trying to portray me as believing that. That is dishonest.
So now I am dishonest because you once again do not understand.

Or are you merely pulling us on our legs? Sometimes I have to ask myself this of you.

Nowhere did I define spiritual experiences as ridiculous. And nowhere did I portray you as having none Christian spiritual experiences. It is your constant need to straw man that is dishonest.

I just pointed out that other religions also have spiritual feelings. Which according to you means they must also be true. But if they are true, then logically your one and only god can not exist.

Do not blame me if you insist on refuting every Abrahamic religion, including your own.
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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I hate it when you write a great post.
That might explain why you hate me such.
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